QUALCOMM Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 6, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Today's call will include prepared remarks by Cristiano Amon and Akash Palkawala. In addition, Alex Rogers will join the question and answer session. You can access our earnings release and a slide presentation that accompany this call on our Investor Relations website. In addition, this call is being webcast on qualcomm.com, and a replay will be available on our website later today.

Operator

During the call today, we will use non GAAP financial measures as defined in Regulation G, and you can find the related reconciliations to GAAP on our website. We will also make forward looking statements, including projections and estimates of future events, business or industry trends or business or financial results. Actual events or results could differ materially from those projected in our forward looking statements. Please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent 10 ks, which contain important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward looking statements. And now to comments from Qualcomm's President and Chief Executive Officer, Cristiano Mon.

Operator

Thank you, Mauricio, and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. In fiscal Q4, we delivered non GAAP revenues of $10,200,000,000 and non GAAP earnings per share of $2.69 Chipset business revenues were $8,700,000,000 and licensing business revenues were $1,500,000,000 During Q4 in fiscal 'twenty four, we continue to make progress on our growth and diversification strategy addressing new end markets for Qualcomm's technology. Our differentiated technology and product roadmaps lead in every industry in which we now participate and we are very optimistic about the edge AI momentum across our business. As such, we will continue to transform Qualcomm from a wireless communications company into a connected computing company for the age of AI.

Operator

In the current environment, more than ever, we remain extremely focused on executing our strategy and targets while maintaining operating discipline and creating value for our stockholders. I will now share some key highlights from across the business. As the strong pace of AI innovation continues, there is now broad recognition of the opportunity for on device AI to enable new capabilities and transform the human computer interface. On device AI provides context, enhances immediacy and reliability and enables personalization while providing privacy and security. Additionally, Gen AI enabled devices and applications are evolving to understand natural language, images, sound and the world around us, driving a new generation of AI first experiences.

Operator

This has the potential to create a new cycle of semiconductor innovation and content, and Qualcomm is well positioned to capitalize on this opportunity across devices at the edge. We shared this vision at the recent Snapdragon Summit with the support of key industry leaders including Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, OpenAI, Mistral AI, IBM and others. Together with our ecosystem partners, we're driving this transition to AI enabled edge computing to empower consumers and enterprises by enhancing productivity, entertainment, creativity, convenience and more. Notably, we're partnering with Meta to support Llama 3.2 including their multimodal $11,000,000,000 $3,000,000,000 $1,000,000,000 parameter models on Snapdragon powered devices. We're also working with Amazon to create a cloud to edge solution that allows developers to customize their models on SageMaker and deploy them to Qualcomm and Snapdragon platforms via the AI Hub.

Operator

Model availability on the AI Hub has grown by more than 50% since last quarter with both open source and proprietary models. In handsets, we recently unveiled the Snapdragon 8 Elite, our latest flagship mobile platform, which features our 2nd generation custom Orion CPU. This CPU delivers up to 30% faster performance with 57% less power, a significant leap over the 1st generation in less than a year. Snapdragon 8 Elite is the world's fastest mobile processor, restoring performance leadership to the Android ecosystem. In addition, Snapdragon 8 Elite introduces a newly architected hexagon NPU, delivering a 45% improvement in both performance and power efficiency over Snapdragon 8 Gen 3.

Operator

Combined with the improved CPU and GPU, Snapdragon 8 Elite can dynamically manage AI workloads and handle the complexities of multimodal gen AI in real time. We are extremely pleased with the Snapdragon 8 Elite design traction with successful launches at Xiaomi, Honor, Oppo and Vivo and we look forward to additional launches at Samsung, ASUS and more. In a short period of time, our Snapdragon X Series platforms have redefined personal computing. Building on the initial launch momentum, we have expanded our portfolio with the addition of the Snapdragon X Plus A Core Compute Platform. The X Plus A Core maintains leadership in performance and battery life, enabling OEMs to offer thin and light co pilot plus PCs with transformative, uncompromised on device AI and more affordable price points.

Operator

This makes next gen AI PCs accessible to even more users, expanding our addressable market. We are very pleased that leading OEMs, including Dell, HP, Lenovo, Samsung, Acer and Asus will all have devices powered by our X plus A core platform. We now have a total of 58 platforms launched or in development across the X Series portfolio. Snapdragon X Series power laptops will also be the first to get the new CoPilot plus PC features announced on October 1, including recall, click to do, improved search, super resolution in photos, generative fill and arrays in paint. In XR, together with Meta, we continue to enable the future of spatial computing.

Operator

The recently announced Quest 3S powered by Snapdragon XR2 Gen 2 delivers a more affordable headset targeted for users new to mixed reality and immersive experiences. This is an important milestone in increasing the scale of this opportunity. Additionally, the Snapdragon AR1 Gen 1 powered Ray Ban meta glasses are receiving new AI features, including location and navigation assistance, real time speech translation, answering questions about their environment, and hands free access to user digital lives. We're also pleased that Snap recently unveiled their next generation Spectacles powered by dual Snapdragon Processors, which are aimed at creators exploring advanced AR experiences. Industrial IoT is evolving with advanced edge computing and intelligence driving demand for our technologies and providing a significant future opportunity for Qualcomm.

Operator

To that end, we recently announced the Qualcomm IQ series, a new family of industrial grade solutions specifically designed to meet the needs of next generation industrial edge applications. With on device AI performance of up to 100 tops, the ability to operate in extreme conditions in a suite of built in safety features, the Qualcomm IQ series of chipsets are purpose built to power a wide range of solutions, including inspection and automation, robotics, drones, advanced computer vision, edge AI boxes and gateways and more. Additionally, we introduced the Qualcomm IoT Solutions Framework, which helps enterprises build solutions that enable easy development of end to end applications, reduce time to implementation and improve operational efficiencies. This all encompassing framework features recommended chipsets and core software, support for multiple operating systems such as Android, Linux and Windows, tailored reference designs, software libraries, SDKs, supplementary cloud based services, microservices and access to a growing network of channel partners. In Edge Networking, we announced the Networking Pro A7 Elite platform, the 1st commercial platform to revolutionize enterprise and home networking connectivity with Edge AI.

Operator

This platform includes Wi Fi 7, 5 gs, 10 gigabit PON, Ethernet and an AI co processor with 40 tops of NPU processing power. The transformative integration of The transformative integration of connectivity and computing power into the network unlocks opportunities for operators and enterprises to deploy innovative applications and services in areas such as security and surveillance, energy management and automation, personalized virtual systems and health monitoring among others. Edge AI also enhances privacy by processing sensitive information on the gateway while enabling personalization to contextualize understanding of the environment and immediacy to near real time responses. Finally, in automotive, we recently announced our most powerful platforms to date, the Snapdragon Cockpit Elite and Snapdragon Ride Elite. Both feature our category leading custom Orion CPU, now optimized for automotive safety standards and designed for 3 times faster CPU performance over previous generations.

Operator

These platforms are also developed for current and future multimodal AI and assisted driving workloads, feature our dedicated hexagon NPU with up to 12 times increased AI performance over previous generation, a substantial upgrade. The Snapdragon Cockpit Elite powers advanced digital experiences including robust multimedia capabilities such as gaming and advanced 3 d graphics on device AI with fully integrated edge orchestrator optimized safety and security and long term software support. The Snapdragon Wright Elite platform offers an end to end ADAS system with advanced features such as vision perception, sensor fusion, path planning, localization and complete vehicle control. Additionally, these platforms are built on a unique flexible architecture that gives automakers the option to combine both digital cockpit and automated driving functionalities on the same SoC. We are pleased that leading car manufacturers are adopting Snapdragon Elite Automotive platforms for their future software defined vehicles, including Li Auto and Mercedes Benz.

Operator

We are very pleased with the progress we have made this year with significant advancements on our product roadmap and customer engagement across multiple end markets. I look forward to sharing more about our strategy and progress at our upcoming growth and diversification focus Investor Day in New York on November 19. I will now turn

Speaker 1

the call to Akash. Thank you, Christiano, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start with our 4th fiscal quarter earnings. We are pleased to announce strong non GAAP results with revenues of $10,200,000,000 and EPS of $2.69 which was above the high end of our guidance. QTL revenues of $1,500,000,000 and EBT margin of 74% were at the high end of our guidance driven by slightly higher handset units in the quarter.

Speaker 1

QCT delivered revenues of $8,700,000,000 and EBT margin of 28% with revenues at the high end of our guidance range on strength in both IoT and automotive. QCT handset revenues of $6,100,000,000 were in line with our expectations for the quarter. QCT IoT revenues of $1,700,000,000 increased 24% from the prior quarter due to the benefit of new product launches and continued normalization of channel inventory. We delivered our 5th consecutive quarter of record QCT Automotive revenues of $899,000,000 with sequential growth of 11% and year over year growth of 68% on continued content increase in new vehicle launches. Lastly, we returned $2,200,000,000 to stockholders, including $1,300,000,000 in stock repurchases and $947,000,000 in dividends.

Speaker 1

Before turning to guidance, I'll summarize our fiscal 'twenty four results. We are very pleased with our execution and financial performance in fiscal 'twenty four. We delivered revenues of $39,000,000,000 and non GAAP EPS of $10.22 a growth of 21% on a year over year basis. Our results reflect the benefit of operating leverage as we maintain fiscal discipline and manage non GAAP operating expenses relatively flat as compared to fiscal 2023. In QTL, we made significant progress in our ability to maintain revenue and margin scale as a result of completing a number of licensing renewals during the year.

Speaker 1

In QCT handsets, we delivered greater than 20% year over year growth in Android revenues, driven by technology leadership of our premium tier Snapdragon products and normalization of channel inventory. Consistent with expectations outlined at the beginning of the fiscal year, QCT IoT revenues grew sequentially in each of the following quarters throughout the year. In a challenging industry environment, we delivered full year revenue growth of 55 percent in QCT Automotive, extending our leadership in automotive computing and connectivity platforms. Lastly, our business generated record free cash flow of $11,200,000,000 our balance sheet remains strong with $13,300,000,000 in cash and marketable securities. Turning to guidance.

Speaker 1

We now expect global 3 gs, 4 gs, 5 gs handset units to increase by low to mid single digit percentage on a year over year basis in calendar 2024. For the Q1 of fiscal 2025, we are forecasting revenues of $10,500,000,000 to $11,300,000,000 and non GAAP EPS of $2.85 to $3.05 In QTL, we estimate revenues of $1,450,000,000 to $1,650,000,000 and EBITDA margins of 73% to 77%, reflecting normal seasonality for handset units when adjusted for the extra week in the Q4 of fiscal 2024. In QCT, we expect revenues of $9,000,000,000 to $9,600,000,000 and EBITDA margins of 29% to 31%. We expect QCT handset revenues to grow by a mid single digit percentage on a year over year basis. This forecast includes greater than 40% sequential revenue growth from Chinese OEMs and the acceleration of flagship Android handset launches, powered by our recently announced Snapdragon 8 Elite platform.

Speaker 1

We anticipate QCT IoT revenues to increase by more than 20% on a year over year basis with growth across consumer, industrial and networking. Following our outperformance in the Q4, this forecast reflects a seasonal sequential decline consistent with the last 2 fiscal years. We expect QCT Automotive revenues to grow by 50% relative to last year and be approximately flat on a sequential basis. Lastly, we estimate non GAAP operating expenses to be approximately $2,200,000,000 In closing, I want to thank our employees for their hard work and dedication and remaining focused on execution while delivering industry leading products. The last few weeks have marked a meaningful acceleration in our progress towards our diversification strategy, and I'd like to highlight some significant product announcements.

Speaker 1

First, we announced our Snapdragon X Plus platform at IFA Conference, which extends our performance leadership to the $700 price tier for personal computers. 2nd, at the Embedded World North America, we introduced the most comprehensive chipset and software portfolio for AI ready industrial IoT solutions. And 3rd, at the Snapdragon Summit, we unveiled the Snapdragon 8 Elite Handset Platform featuring the world's fastest mobile CPU and the Snapdragon Cockpit Elite and Snapdragon Ride Elite Automotive platforms establishing us as a performance leader in digital cockpit and ADAS. Lastly, we look forward to seeing you in New York on November 19th, where we will expand on these exciting product announcements with an update on our IoT and automotive diversification strategy. This concludes our prepared remarks.

Speaker 1

Back to you, Mauricio. Thank you, Kaush. Operator, we're now ready for questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 3

First question comes from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

I wonder if you could talk about

Speaker 2

the strength in autos. You've obviously put up great sequential numbers. There are headwinds in that business. I know you have a lot of pipeline momentum, but just kind of give us a picture of how the environment is affecting you and how much visibility you have into that trajectory?

Operator

Hey, Joe. Thanks for the question. This is Cristiano. As we said before, I think you should look at our revenue in auto less sensitive to what happens in the market much more related to new models that are being launching with Qualcomm Technology and it's reflecting a shifting share. So it is as we gain share and new models get launched, you started to see that show up in our financials and that's the reason we continue to have growth both sequentially and year over year.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you. And then I don't think you mentioned it. Anything you could say about the ARM dispute that would help us to understand what's at stake there?

Speaker 1

Yes, Joe. On the ARM side, from our perspective, we have very broad, well established license rights that cover our custom designed CPUs. So we are very confident that those rights will be affirmed. The trial is scheduled for December. And so we're looking forward to addressing ARM's claims at that point.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

The next question is from the line of Samik Chatterjee with JPMorgan.

Speaker 4

Hey, thanks for taking my questions and really strong results, so congratulations on that. Maybe if I can start with IoT. For the 1st 3 quarters of the year, you had declines on a year over year basis and we are seeing this sort of acceleration in IoT in the 4th quarter and going into Q1 on a year over year basis. Can you just sort of parse that out a bit? How much of this is a recovery in sort of the traditional IoT businesses you were in relative to contribution from the PC market and really an acceleration account of that.

Speaker 4

Just anything you can parse out between industrial IoT, consumer IoT and new products versus older sort of products you've been on? Thank you. And I have a follow-up.

Speaker 1

Sure. So Samik, it's Akash. If you look at our performance both in Q4 and Q1 in IoT, we saw benefit across all the three areas. So consumer, industrial and networking. And within Q4 as some new products were launched in PC and XR and other areas as well, we saw the benefit of those launches come through in our numbers.

Speaker 1

There is a portion of channel inventory normalization as well. But it's really the new product launches kind of coming through for us both in the 4th and the Q1 and that sets us up well for the rest of the year.

Speaker 4

Okay. Okay. Got it. And I mean, it's obviously, as you mentioned, it's been a tough backdrop in terms of the macro and you're guiding to about a 10% revenue growth in the Q1. Just trying to think about sustainability of that into the March quarter, particularly given that you did mention there's some acceleration of Android launches as well?

Speaker 4

How should we think about with the combination of smartphone and sort of the impressive performance you have on the non smartphone areas now? How sustainable is this sort of double digit growth into the March quarter?

Speaker 1

Yes. Samik, so we're pretty happy with the trajectory of the business, both in terms of our Q4 results and Q1 guidance. We're not guiding beyond the Q1 at this point. But as you know, we have an Investor Day coming up in a couple of weeks where we're going to talk through our diversification strategy and growth and we'll provide a financial framework around it. So we'll address some of these topics at that point.

Speaker 4

Okay. I'll pass it up. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 3

The next question is from the line of Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research.

Speaker 5

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question, just on chipset gross margins, they seem to be guided down a bit, I don't know, 100 to 150 bps in Q1. Is that just like increased wafer cost, TSM? Is there something else going on with mix, just given which products are shipping?

Speaker 5

Any color you can give us on gross margins? And I guess like is the framework on how to think about them going forward around 48 ish plus or minus, is that still the right way to think about chip gross margins?

Speaker 1

Yes. Sure, Stacy. It's Akash. So in Q4, we actually guided lower and we came in slightly better because of stronger mix. And so what we're guiding in Q1 is really largely in line with Q4 and we think that's kind of a reasonable way to model the business going forward.

Speaker 1

And I think from a product mix perspective, we feel pretty good about where we are set up, both across businesses and within handsets. So that will obviously continue to play a factor as we look forward.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you. For my follow-up, I just wanted to ask a little more about on PCs. You had talked about new product launches in Q4. Can you help us size like how big was the PC portion in Q4?

Speaker 5

And given you're guiding IoT down seasonally sequentially in Q1, is PCs as well as some of the other stuff a function of that? Like how do we think about the contribution that we're seeing early in the launch from those products?

Speaker 2

Yes. So Stacy, as you know, we're pretty excited

Speaker 1

about the PC roadmap. I think we've kind of established ourselves as the performance leader in Windows devices. And during the quarter, we also launched a new chip, Snapdragon X Plus 8 Core Chip, which allows us now to access the $700 price tier for the PC market as well. So now we have performance leadership really without compromising on NPU performance across tiers in the PC market. And so initial reaction has been great.

Speaker 1

We are pleased with it. We will talk about this in a lot more detail at Investor Day, both from traction across OEMs and then targets for the longer term.

Speaker 3

Hey, Stacy, this is Christian.

Operator

I just wanted to add one thing. While I think we are going to make probably financial projections how we think about the PC business in November 2019, I wanted to point out one thing which is very visible. When we launched this, we launched this in May. We are so it's a short period of time if you think about it, we are now in November. When we launched in May, we have about 20 platforms.

Operator

One thing we disclosed on this call is now the platforms that we have designed in, they add to about 58. That is almost a 3x

Speaker 2

on

Operator

the number of platforms they're being designed and under development. I think that is giving us a lot of confidence that our platform resonate with the market and we get interaction with the OEMs.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Our next question is from Joshua Buckhalter with TD Cowen.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to follow-up on Joe's question from earlier about the auto upside. I mean, in particular, the auto space upside has been driven by China.

Speaker 1

I guess, maybe you could

Speaker 6

give us some data points on how much your exposure within the auto market is driven by the China market now? And then also maybe some any metrics you can give us on how much is infotainment versus ADAS and in particular as you ramp Snapdragon, Ride Elite with capabilities of both infotainment and ADAS and One SOC. How is engagement for that? And how do you expect that to ramp over the next couple of years? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Hi, Josh. It's Sakash. From a geography diversity perspective, we should think of our portfolio as very diverse. We have a very strong set of design wins globally across OEMs. And so you should not think of this as reliant on a specific geography.

Speaker 1

And we are planning to give some disclosures on that topic as we go forward.

Operator

Maybe just going to add one thing. I think in addition of being designed with virtually every single OEM in every region. One of the things we're very excited about it is what we did on both the Snapdragon, Right Elite, the Cockpit Elite. One of the things I want to point out is, it's one of the biggest upgrades I think to date in order of magnitude about 12x on AI. As we said before, I think G and AI use cases on the car and especially is a little different approach is about future proving that design for software defined vehicle is getting a lot of traction to a lot of OEMs.

Operator

We announced 2 that made that public, but I think design traction on that chipset is actually very high.

Speaker 1

And Josh, on your second question on a combination of cockpit and ADAS, a lot of our traction this year is with launches with cars using our cockpit solution. And we see ADAS having some traction, some deployments right now, but it's going to ramp over the next couple of years and that becomes kind of another inflection point in our revenue growth going forward.

Speaker 6

Got it. Thank you for all the color. And then the follow-up, I want to ask about the handset market. If we sort of back out your top two customers, handsets are up, I think, around 50% year over year. Any metrics you can give us on units versus ASPs?

Speaker 6

I know there was an inventory dynamic last year. So as we think about the sustainability of that growth vector into 2025, in particular for the China market, would be curious if there's any incremental metrics you can give us outside your top two customers? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. I think, Josh, if you look at the total handset market and this is sell through, we are projecting in 'twenty four that the market will be up low to mid single digits. But the big story for us has been content increase. We've kind of seen the chipsets becoming a lot more capable and you saw the X Elite announcement that we did last month, a lot more content going into the chip and as those solutions get adopted, we get see the benefit on the ASP side. The second factor is the mix across tiers.

Speaker 1

We're seeing the mix across tiers continue to improve in the handset market as well. So if you kind of look back over the last 3 or 4 years, devices greater than $400 has gone up from being 21% of the market to 30% of the market. And that is definitely beneficial to us. Maybe one last point is if you think about our guidance quarter, December quarter, we do not have any Huawei product revenue in our guidance. A year ago quarter, we did have Huawei product revenue.

Speaker 1

So it's actually something that we overcome and then we have growth on top of it.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Our next question is from Chris Caso with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 7

Yes, thank you. Good evening. Just another follow-up question with regard to handset. And if you could kind of characterize because I think for Qualcomm, you saw a rebound or a normalization in the premium part of the handset market in the first half of the year. Is what you're seeing now some follow through on kind of the mid tier or is just kind of continuation of what you saw in the first half of the year?

Speaker 7

And then secondly on that, with regard to some of the accelerated China launches, do you think that's a reflection of the market of some perhaps improvement in the market in China, at least for the China OEMs or is it simply a matter of timing?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think Chris, if you think about our handset

Speaker 3

business, we're definitely really

Speaker 1

strong at the top of the roadmap in premium tier. Definitely really strong at the top of the roadmap in premium tier. And as we mentioned earlier, we announced our new flagship chipset and you're seeing OEMs launch with that chipset. So those definitely factor into our numbers and it's less about other tiers, more about the fact that we launched our new premium tier chipset and the OEMs are actively taking advantage of it by accelerating their launches and really increasing the scale of their launches.

Speaker 7

Got it. And just with regard to the licensing business, you see a shallower sequential increase in the December quarter. I imagine that's because of the absence of the extra week. For that licensing business, any changes for just

Speaker 2

kind

Speaker 7

of the structure of that market that we shouldn't anticipate going forward? Or is it about what you'd consider to be normal?

Speaker 1

Yes, it's very, very much normal. It's really the extra week coming out and the normal sequential quarter over quarter growth.

Speaker 2

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 3

The next question is from Tal Liani with Bank of America.

Speaker 2

Hi, guys.

Speaker 8

Other companies reported kind of opposite trends of what you're talking about. Some of the companies reported weakness in China, migration to lower tier and then Apple had kind of weaker numbers than expected. How do you connect the comments we get from other vendors to your strength? And are you concerned that maybe the strength is more inventory build out or build out by customers because of your new launches? So can you comment about end market demand and the composition of end market demands in globally?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Operator

Look, thanks for the question. I can't really speak of other companies. I don't think I can say yes. I'm actually very happy with our results. But I'll give you a couple of data points, maybe help you triangulate that.

Operator

When we look sequentially, we have now quarter over quarter greater than 40% handset revenue growth with Chinese OEMs in as we look in the 1Q fiscal 2025, if you look at the guide. In fiscal 2024, our Android revenues, we get 20% year over year growth, including the loss of Huawei revenues. And when we compare with our closest competitor, for example, on Android, our premium tier, we get greater than 5x premium tier revenue. So I think it shows a couple of things, I think as Akash outlined, content is increasing, the premium tier is expanding in the market that it kind of normalize and we don't see much of the inventory dynamics we used to see. So I think speaks a little bit to the strength of our product roadmap.

Operator

I think the launch of new products from customers in China, but more important is this trend that the mix are really improving.

Speaker 2

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you. The next question is from Timothy Arcuri with UBS.

Speaker 9

Thanks a lot. Akash, I'm just looking at the guidance and for China Android to be up more than 40%, it implies that your 2 other big customers are both down in the double digit range. I mean, both of them have to be down. So can you speak to that? It's very sort of anti seasonal for at least one of those guys to be down.

Speaker 9

And then can you speak to what's driving this? Do you think I mean is any of this pull forward because of tariffs? Are these customers concerned about potential tariffs with given the results of the election? So maybe they are pulling some things forward. Is that plausible?

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes. Let me start with the second part of your question. That's not the case. This is not about tariffs or pull forward because of those reasons. From a customer perspective on the quarterly trend, the way we think about it is what we're guiding is based on customer launch cadences and their demands.

Speaker 1

You should not think of this as a statement on sell through. It's really kind of chipset purchases that are happening from us. So I think that's those 2 may be disconnected in some cases. But you already know what our share position is across the OEMs. And so it's not a share question.

Speaker 1

It's just the timing of purchases from us.

Speaker 9

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Our final question will be from C. J. Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald.

Speaker 10

Yes, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. I guess first question was hoping to revisit IoT business growing nicely for you year on year and pretty much every other company that I've come across is seeing challenges there, particularly parts of consumer and industrial. So we'd love to hear perhaps on the consumer side, whether you're seeing kind of the uptake that we're hearing in China. And then moreover, I guess, on the industrial side, is that where you're seeing inventory correction?

Speaker 10

What's the timing of kind of recovery? And your thoughts there?

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. So on the consumer side, as we said, new product launches, both in XR and in PC definitely factor in our performance. And then on the industrial side, at Embedded World, we announced a new product portfolio, updated product portfolio that addresses both not just chipsets but software readiness to drive through AI ready use cases in industrial. We think that that market is turning. There's an inflection point and there's going to be a lot of demand for solutions that have processing connectivity, AI readiness.

Speaker 1

And so we're seeing this early stages of demand come through for our solutions. And this is one of the topics that we'll discuss in detail at our Investor Day. So stay tuned on that one.

Speaker 10

Very helpful. And as a follow-up, in your 10 ks, you talked about a large customer potentially going internal as a next several quarter risk. And obviously this has been discussed for many years. But if it were to happen, how should we think about the moving parts to your overall QCT margins?

Speaker 1

I think no real change, no new information here. I think there's enough data out there for you to be able to size the risk that we've always outlined. As we've said, we have a 3 year agreement, 24, 25 and 26 phone launches and the framework of that agreement is consistent with the prior one. Our planning assumption has been that the share will ramp down to 20% for the 26 launch and the agreement ends after that. So no change really to anything we've said in the past.

Speaker 1

And I think that's how our planning assumption is anything better would be upside.

Speaker 2

Excellent. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session. Mr. Ramon, do you have anything further to add before joining the call?

Operator

Yes, just a few statements. Thank you. Thanks everyone for joining us on the call today. When we look at Qualcomm, I think we feel pretty good about position. There are very few companies positioning so many markets in the transformation of many industries.

Operator

There's a lot of distraction out there, but we're not distracted. We're really focused on executing on executing on our growth and diversification. And we're really looking forward, I think, to tell our story on November 2019. I'd like to take a moment to thank all of our employees for incredible fiscal year fiscal fiscal 2024. They're truly the best part of Qualcomm and we're going to be keep executing and focus on changing the company into a connected computing company for the age of AI.

Operator

Thank you so much and I look forward to speaking with you all next quarter.

Speaker 3

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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