Bio-Rad Laboratories Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's Bio-Rad Third Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time to get started, all participants are in a listen-only mode, but later you will have the opportunity to ask questions during the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please note, today's session is being recorded, and I'll be standing behind should you need any assistance.

It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Head of Investor Relations, Edward Chung. Welcome, sir.

Edward Chung
Vice President, Investor Relations at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Today, we will review the third quarter 2024 financial results and provide an update on key business trends for Bio-Rad. With me on the call today are Norman Schwartz, our Chief Executive Officer; Jon DiVincenzo, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Roop Lakkaraju, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin our review, I'd like to remind everyone that we'll be making forward-looking statements about management's goals, plans and expectations, our future financial performance and other matters. These statements are based on assumptions and expectations of future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Our actual results may differ materially from these plans, goals and expectations. You should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, and I encourage you to review our filings with the SEC where we discuss in detail the risk factors in our business. The company does not intend to update any forward-looking statements made during the call today.

Finally, our remarks today will include references to non-GAAP financials, including net income and diluted earnings per share, which are financial measures that are not defined under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Investors should review the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP results contained in our earnings release.

With that, I'll now turn the call over to our CEO, Norman Schwartz.

Norman Schwartz
Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Thanks, Ed. We certainly appreciate all of you joining us on the call today. To start, I mean, maybe the best way to start out to say we had a solid quarter, revenue better than what we had targeted and margins ahead of expectations, all driven by product mix, productivity gains and good cost management. Looking at our markets, the third quarter reflected a continuation of the market trends we've experienced over the last year across our business segments. It was nice to see our clinical diagnostics business back to normal, delivering stronger-than-expected year-over-year growth in the quarter. And I would say growth was broad-based across the portfolio in all regions with an outsized contribution of our quality control portfolio in Asia Pacific, helping to drive performance.

While largely in line with expectations, our Life Science group continues to experience a modest pace of recovery, reflecting ongoing soft demand in biotech and biopharma and in China. We increasingly believe that the gradual pace of recovery likely continues into 2025 and weighs on the uptake of Life Science instrumentation over the coming quarters. Similar to the prior quarter, our process chromatography materials posted year-over-year decline related to ongoing destocking activities at several very large customers who previously overstocked due to the critical importance of our products for specific key therapeutics. Outside of these customers, we are starting to see a return to normalized ordering patterns and continue to anticipate a return to growth for our process media portfolio in 2025.

Our Droplet Digital PCR franchise grew mid-single digits in the quarter and was bolstered by additional IP-related royalties. So I'd say despite the ongoing constrained funding environment for instruments, our ddPCR reagents and consumables continue to expand, both quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year. Overall, we're continuing to see strong interest in our recently launched ddPCR assays targeted at the oncology and at the cell and gene therapy market, and continue to maintain a strong win-loss ratio for our digital PCR platform in our current market segments.

We were pleased to see the positive trend for capital raises for biotech and biopharma markets continuing into the third quarter, I would note that customers remain cautious on the funding environment and conservative on capital deployment. Likewise, large pharma continues initiatives to reduce operating expenses in the form of corporate restructuring and R&D reprioritization. In the Academic segment, we are seeing a slightly softer global funding environment after what I would call a long period of strong research support. In addition to the slightly lower-than-anticipated NIH budget for the year, key European markets I would say, remain mixed with lower funding in Germany and the U.K., offset by modest improvements in places like France and some other EU countries. And of course, the Asia Pacific remains challenging, reflecting the ongoing economic headwinds there.

Operationally, we continue to progress our corporate transformation with efforts in supply chain and core process improvements, continuing to support our stronger margins. Of note, during the quarter, we opened a new Asia distribution center in Singapore, which is a key component of our logistics network. This hub allows for efficiencies, enabling direct shipments to all Asia Pacific regions and generally simplifies our network and improves customer service levels. We also continue to expand applications, both directly and through partnerships to advance our Droplet Digital PCR platform. We made an additional equity investment at OncoCyte focused on transplant rejection monitoring and launched the next in a series of Vericheck assays internally aimed at supporting the safe and effective production of cell and gene therapies.

And related to the Continuum QXD PCR platform in development, while we previously expected to launch in Q4, we've now taken the decision to postpone its introduction. So once we have a better line of sight for introducing a platform, we'll provide you an update on that. Additionally, we completed the acquisition the acquisition of Saber Bio, a novel platform utilizing our core droplet technology that enables high throughput discovery of novel antibodies and T cell receptors.

On balance, I would say our cost and productivity initiatives have paid dividends despite the challenging markets. And as we look forward and think about eventual market normalization for our Life Science business. We believe that Bio-Rad will further benefit from that top line leverage.

So that about sums it up for me. I'd now like to turn it over to Jon. Jon?

Jonathan DiVincenzo
President, Chief Operating Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Thanks Norman, for the introduction, and thank you to everyone who's joined the call today. It is a privilege to address you for the first time as the President and Chief Operating Officer of Bio-Rad, a company I have known for over 30 years in my career in the life science tools market and additionally, as a customer over the last seven years, while leading Labcorp's Central Lab business where my team enjoyed a strong relationship with Bio-Rad with both Life Science and Diagnostic product groups.

I've long considered Bio-Rad as a scientific leader, and I'm generally excited to join an organization with such a distinguished history and extensive portfolio across the enterprise. Having been on board for -- and I'm thoroughly impressed by the dedication, innovation and resilience that define our company. As we navigate the continuing evolving industry landscape, I am confident that we are strategically positioned to achieve our goals and deliver sustained value to our stakeholders. My immediate focus is on profitable revenue growth. targeting growth rates at or above market. I also share Norman and Roop's renewed commitment to consistently meeting our financial targets.

Our dedication to operational excellence is steadfast we are concentrating on enhancing customer satisfaction and driving efficiency while fostering a culture of continuous improvement. As you've seen this year, this organization appreciates the opportunity to significantly improve our operating margin we are targeting and executing continued margin expansion across our portfolio. In fact, about a year ago, Bio-Rad introduced a new leader of Global Supply Chain and Manufacturing, Sedat Evran. Having personally previously worked alongside Sedat at PerkinElmer, I have complete confidence in the team he has established to continue driving margin expansion and delivering the highest quality products to our global customers.

Thank you personally for your continued support and trust in Bio-Rad. I look forward to engaging with you more as I settle into this role, and I will now pass it on to Roop to review the financial results.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Thank you, Jon, and good afternoon. I'd like to start with a review of the third quarter 2024 results. Net sales were $650 million, which represents a 2.8% increase on a reported basis versus $632 million in Q3 2023. On a currency neutral basis, this represents a 3.4% year-over-year increase and was driven primarily by higher sales in our Clinical Diagnostics segment. Sales of the Life Science group were approximately $261 million compared to $263 million in Q3 of 2023, which is essentially flat on a reported and currency-neutral basis. Currency-neutral sales decreased in the Americas, offset by the increase in EMEA. As Norman alluded to earlier, additional IP related royalties contributed to the Q3 Life Science revenue as well as gross margin performance. Note that royalties can vary quarter-to-quarter and on a full year basis, royalties generally represent less than 1% of our total revenue.

Excluding process chromatography sales, which can fluctuate quarter-to-quarter, our Life Science group revenue increased 3.5% year-over-year and 3.9% on a currency-neutral basis. Core Life Science growth was driven by consumable sales that improved low single digit sequentially and mid-single digit year-over-year. Sales of the Clinical Diagnostics group were $389 million compared to $368 million in Q3 of 2023, which is an increase of 5.6% on a reported basis and 6.4% on a currency-neutral basis. Growth of the Clinical Diagnostics group was primarily driven by increased demand for quality control products and a favorable compare for our immunology products that were affected by supply constraints in the third quarter of 2023. Growth of the Quality Control portfolio also benefited from the timing of shipments and contributed to the stronger pull-through consumables during the quarter.

On a geographic basis, currency-neutral year-over-year revenue for the Diagnostics group posted growth across all three regions. We are pleased with the growth rate for the Clinical Diagnostics Group in 2024. As we think about 2025, we do see some potential headwinds impacting this business, such as China and one of our partners exiting the donor screening business.

Q3 reported GAAP gross margin was 54.8% as compared to 53.1% in the third quarter of 2023. The increase in gross margin was primarily driven by improved productivity, lower logistics costs and a mix of revenue. The higher royalties contributed 30 basis points. SG&A expenses were essentially flat between the third quarter of 2024 versus the year ago period. For Q3 2024, SG&A spend was $200 million or 30.8% of sales compared to $201 million or 31.8% in Q3 of 2023. The decrease in dollars of SG&A expense was primarily due to a reduction in discretionary spending and moderated employee-related expenses including variable compensation.

Research and development expense in the third quarter was $91 million as compared to $43.5 million in Q3 2023. The higher year-over-year R&D was attributed to the onetime acquired in-process R&D expense of approximately $30 million and a onetime decrease in the fair value of contingent consideration of approximately $15 million in Q3 2023. Q3 operating income is approximately $64 million or 9.9% of sales compared to $91 million or 14.4% of sales in Q3 of 2023. Lower operating income is driven by the onetime in-process R&D expense, which decreased operating income by approximately $30 million. This was partially offset by the revenue mix and continued proactive expense management initiatives. During the quarter, interest and other income resulted in net other income of about $18 million compared to about $20 million in the prior year.

The effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2024 was 24.2% compared to 22.5% in the year-ago period. Tax rate reported in these periods was primarily affected by the accounting treatment of our equity securities and the geographical mix of earnings. The change in fair market value of equity security holdings, which are substantially related to the ownership of Sartorius AG shares, resulted in a $793 million gain and drove the reported net income of $653 million or $23.34 diluted earnings per share compared to net income of $106 million or diluted earnings per share of $3.64 in Q3 of 2023.

Moving to the non-GAAP results. Non-GAAP financial measures, which exclude certain atypical and unique items that impact both gross and operating margins and other income are detailed in the reconciliation table in our press release. Third quarter non-GAAP gross margin was 55.6% compared to 53.9% in Q3 of 2023, reflecting the revenue mix, ongoing focus on productivity and operating efficiencies. Non-GAAP SG&A in the third quarter of 2024 was 30.3% versus 31.7% in Q3 of 2023. Non-GAAP R&D as a percentage of sales in the third quarter of 2024 was 13.9% compared to 9.2% for Q3 of 2023, primarily due to the aforementioned onetime in-process R&D expense.

Third quarter non-GAAP operating margin was 11.3% compared to 12.9% in 2023. Lower margin was driven by the onetime acquired in-process R&D expense, which reduced our Q3 non-GAAP operating margin by approximately $30 million or 450 basis points. This was partially offset by the gross margin improvement in cost management initiatives. The non-GAAP effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2024 was 28.8% compared to 23.9% for the same period in 2023. The higher rate in 2024 was driven by a geographical mix of earnings and the accounting treatment of the onetime in-process R&D expense. Finally, non-GAAP net income for the third quarter of 2024 was $56 million or $2.01 diluted earnings per share compared to $68 million or diluted earnings per share of $2.33 in Q3 of 2023.

Moving on to the balance sheet. Total cash and short-term investments at the end of Q3 2024 was $1.62 billion, unchanged versus the end of Q2 2024. Inventory at the end of Q3 was $804 million, essentially flat compared to the prior quarter. Inventory, when adjusted for currency impact between Q2 and Q3 2024, would be down approximately 2%. For the third quarter of 2024, net cash generated from operating activities was approximately $164 million compared to $98 million for Q3 of 2023. Net capital expenditures for the third quarter of '24 were approximately $40 million in depreciation and amortization was $39 million. Third quarter 2024 free cash flow was approximately $123 million, which compares to $54 million in Q3 of 2023. For the full year 2024, we expect free cash flow to be approximately $300 million versus $218 million in 2023. As we look towards 2025, free cash flow will continue to be a key focus.

Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of 2024 was $107 million or 16.4% of sales, which includes the onetime in-process R&D expense. During the third quarter, we repurchased approximately 330,000 shares of our stock for about $97 million at an average purchase price of about $293 per share. We continue to be opportunistic with our buybacks and still have approximately $577 million available for share repurchases under the current board authorized program.

Moving on to the full year 2024 non-GAAP guidance. We are maintaining our full year 2024 revenue guidance with currency-neutral year-over-year revenue expected to decline 2.5% to 4.0%, reflecting the slower gradual pace of biopharma end market recovery and growth for the Clinical Diagnostics group. We are increasing our full year non-GAAP gross margin range, which we now expect to be between 55% to 55.5% versus 54.5% and 55% previously. The increase reflects a combination of revenue mix and the impact of cost improvements implemented. Similarly, we are increasing our full year non-GAAP operating margin to be between 12.75% and 13.25% and our full year adjusted EBITDA margin is now expected to be between 18.5% and 19.0%, both include the Q3 in-process R&D expense, which has an approximate 125 basis point impact.

That concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the line to take questions. Operator?

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Operator

Gentlemen, thank you. [Operator Instructions] We'll hear first today from Patrick Donnelly at Citi.

Patrick Donnelly
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Hey guys, thank you for taking the questions. Maybe to pick up right when you left off there on the margin it was nice to see the gross margins in particular come through healthy there. Can you just talk about, I guess, it sounds like mix and productivity initiatives, what you're seeing on the margins, again, obviously adjusted the guide a little bit there as well and just talk about the expectations here as we work away through the end of the year? And the right jumping off point for '25? I know you've been there for a couple of quarters now. I'm sure a lot of time was spent in kind of analyzing the opportunities. I think our view and a lot of people's view, there's a lot of margin leverage there. So maybe just a high level talk about that. And again, the right way to think about kind of the end of the year and jumping off into next year?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, thanks, Patrick. Appreciate the question. I guess, multiple folds of the question. I guess bottom line is from a gross margin standpoint, part of what we've talked about is the improvements we're making are sustainable improvements. And part of what we've been moderating or modulating is just the mix just because it's higher consumables, which are stronger margins, lower box sales at this point. But keeping in mind that, obviously, we expect that to turn at a future point. The other piece of this is when you look at some of the royalties that we received in Q3, that was kind of onetime, they were a bit higher. And again, that's something that just is variable between quarters. So there's a number of different pieces, but I think what is important is we've talked about sustainable improvements. We've made those sustainable improvements in terms of the cost structure within our factories and in our logistics environment. And I think that does carry forward into the new year. I think as we think about 2025, if you look at kind of where we are centering you all, kind of midpoint around 55% for the end of this year with that uptick that in the margin range that we've taken in the fourth quarter for the full year. I think that's a reasonable jump-off point for us and then how we -- and then the question is how much more room is there depending upon how 2025 looks and absorption and these sort of things. So hopefully, that's helpful.

Patrick Donnelly
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Yeah, no it certainly is. And then maybe on the process chrome side, obviously been a focus for a few quarters now. It sounds like maybe turning the corner a little bit. Some customers still on the destocking side. Can you just, I guess, talk about where we are there, what -- if there's a percentage of customers you look at that are still kind of working through the destocking versus some level of normalcy? It would be helpful just to dive into that a little bit.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, so I guess we've seen sequential improvement. And of course, we've talked about our bioprocessing being a bit unique compared to the broader market, right? I think there are some others that are seeing some improvement. Ours is unique to where we play in the bioprocessing space, if you will, and specifically in that polishing stage. And so with the amount of inventory that our customers broadly bought in the prior years, that destocking continues. Now with all that said, we are seeing improvement from the second half of '24 versus the first half of '24. We do think that those customers continue to make progress in depleting their inventory and getting back to a more reasonable or normalized buying pattern. But that's going to take through '25 because different customers are depleting at varying rates and potentially into early '26. But we do think, and I think we said it in the call, that there is growth that we expect in the process chrome for 2025 over 2024.

Patrick Donnelly
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Yeah, that's really helpful, Roop. Thank you. And then one last one for Norman, if I can. On the Sartoria stake, certainly getting elevated level of questions on that over the past couple of months. Has your guys' view on that changed at all in terms of willingness to potentially monetize it versus hold it for the next few years? Again, it seems like it's rising in terms of investor topics. I just want to talk through that and your guys' commitment to it versus willingness to maybe look at some options.

Norman Schwartz
Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yes. I don't think that our view has really changed at all. It still is certainly a monetizable asset. Given where we are, given our kind of cash position and -- and so forth and the value of the Sartoria stake now seems to be rather depressed in the market, we don't see a need to do any monetization at the moment, but it still is monetizable.

Patrick Donnelly
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Right. Thank you Norman. Appreciate it.

Edward Chung
Vice President, Investor Relations at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Thanks Patrick.

Operator

Our next question will come from Dan Leonard at UBS.

Dan Leonard
Analyst at UBS Group

Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I captured properly all your framing thoughts for 2025. You gave a few call-outs on revenue, the equipment headwinds persisting in Life Sciences and in Diagnostics. I think you mentioned China and then ortho exiting the donor screening business. Are those -- is that a full fair summary of the call outs? And is it possible to frame the magnitude of these headwinds versus what you would consider a trend line?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Hey Dan, it's Roop. Thanks for the question. I guess in terms of the list of items the general biopharma, biotech market softness and maybe that's captured in your initial element there is one and obviously, the last comment around process Chrome where we think that there is some improvement that we expect to see in 2025. So maybe I'll just add those and maybe they were implied in your list there. So as we think about other items at this point, I think that's a good list. We are obviously going through our planning cycle still. I think it's a little early to give a much more concrete framing of '25, but wanted to also help you all understand kind of the dynamics that we're thinking through as part of the plan and how '25 might come together. With the understanding that we want to drive, obviously, top line growth and margin expansion as we move forward.

Dan Leonard
Analyst at UBS Group

And Roop, you mentioned that free cash flow will be a focus in 2025. Is that a comment in relation to inventory days? And what is the plan there?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, it absolutely is a comment around inventory levels that we have and inventory churns, I'll say, right, or inverse of that will be in your days. And I think it's not going to necessarily be a step function improvement, Dan. We do expect a gradual improvement of that as we continue to have our supply chain initiatives focused in that area. And just as top line returns to growth, and we can use that inventory towards supporting our customers.

Dan Leonard
Analyst at UBS Group

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Next question will come from Brandon Couillard at Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Brandon Couillard
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Thanks, good afternoon. Roop, the guide would seem to imply, at least at the low end, revenues kind of flat sequentially in the fourth quarter. Typically, you do see a seasonal bump. Is that just conservatism in terms of holding the range for the full year? And it sounded like there was at least some pull forward in Diagnostics into the third quarter. Are you able to quantify that in any way?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yes. So great catch on the range. It really is conservatism, Brandon. I think we want to leave ourselves I think as you think about the midpoint of what we just painted, it's reasonable. I mean at the end of the day, the full year guide that we gave when we updated our outlook at the Q2 call stays intact, right? So I think that's kind of where I'd leave that. And I apologize. Can you -- pull forward. Yeah, you listened carefully there. We did have a little bit of pull forward from Q4 to Q3 that customers kind of decided they wanted it sooner. In terms of quantification, it's in the low single-digit millions. It's not that tremendous, but it's obviously up significantly.

Brandon Couillard
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Okay. That's helpful. And then in digital PCR. I guess nice to see it growing year-over-year. Are you seeing any green shoots in terms of demand? If you backed out the royalties in the period, was it still up year-over-year? And just what is exactly going on with the QX Continuum launch? I think Norman mentioned the decision to postpone it. Is there a problem with the system itself? Is that a strategic decision? Just kind of unpack what's behind that deferral? Thanks.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Brandon, maybe I'll start with your initial question, and then I'll actually turn it over to Jon, who can give some further perspective. I think on the ddPCR area, so the pull ahead was actually not in ddPCR, and what we are seeing is sequential improvement in Q3 over Q2. So again, it's gradual improvement. It's not overly significant. The second half is stronger than the first half. So we're seeing some progress, but the rate at which it's happening, I think, is pretty moderated. And so we're hoping for stronger kind of signals as we get into 2025, but we'll see. With that, Jon, I'll turn it over to you, if I could.

Jonathan DiVincenzo
President, Chief Operating Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, thanks. This is Jon DiVincenzo. As you can imagine, when I joined at the beginning of September, various reviews of the portfolio and join Norman and Roop with review specifically in Continuum. We still believe in the platform very much at this point. hearing from the team and a little bit of refinement, let's say, in the performance of the platform is kind of leading us to come to be prudent and say, listen, we're still doing well in the marketplace. We're not seeing situation where we have to launch it right away. And as the market leader, we want to make sure that we hit our kind of high product standards. So it's more refinement, I would say, in the performance of the system.

Brandon Couillard
Analyst at Wells Fargo & Company

Okay, thank you.

Edward Chung
Vice President, Investor Relations at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Thanks Brandon.

Operator

Jack Meehan with Nephron Research, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jack Meehan
Analyst at Nephron Research

Thank you. Good afternoon. Wanted to ask about -- Roop, just the comment that you made about the China market for Diagnostics heading into 2025, you've had a few of your peers call out some DDP-related pressure in the quarter. I was curious if that's what you're referring to or just latest on what you guys are seeing in the China market for Diagnostics?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, thanks, Jack, for the question. And yes, it's not DDP related specifically, right? And so we actually knock on wood, haven't seen much effect to this point from a DDP standpoint. Our comment in calling out China probably similar to many others. There's a lot of different dynamics that are happening in China. And I think from a macro standpoint, because there are so many different aspects to it, just being very mindful of how that's evolving, what that impact is for '25 and really beyond '25. And so I think it was more of just pointing it out that it's still in flux from a broader market standpoint, and therefore, it's things we're needing to consider and understand.

Jack Meehan
Analyst at Nephron Research

Great. And then I had a follow-up on process chrome. I just was hoping you could check my math. I was backing into something like a 40% decline in the quarter based on the headwind you talked about for the segment. Does that sound about right? And can you just talk about what the guide assumes for the fourth quarter for that business, like in terms of the headwind?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, I mean really the headwind is not so much a headwind but just the rate at which customers are destocking and working their way through. From -- as we think about the overall kind of decline -- and you were saying on a year-over-year basis, Jack, is that correct?

Jack Meehan
Analyst at Nephron Research

Correct, yes.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, I mean it's not as bad as the first step. It's obviously improved from a sequential standpoint, but you're looking at the high 20s in terms of a year-over-year.

Jack Meehan
Analyst at Nephron Research

Okay. Great. And then last question is just the tax rate. I heard the factors you called out mix and the R&D, $30 million. What's like a good normalized tax rate to use as we look out to 2025?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, I mean, again, I think it's a little bit early on '25 for me to give you specifics when you see how our own plan comes together in the geographic mix of the income, but somewhere around 22% is probably not unreasonable at this point in time, just as a placeholder.

Jack Meehan
Analyst at Nephron Research

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll hear from Tycho Peterson at Jefferies.

Tycho Peterson
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Hey, thanks. I want to push a little bit more on this continuum or maybe discontinuum, given the kind of uncertain time lines here. Because Norman, you were saying in early September, you are reiterating the year-end time line. So I know you're saying it's fine-tuning. I mean, why can't you put a time frame on it? Is it next year? Or is it beyond that? And then can you also talk on pricing in digital PCR? We have picked up that you guys have gotten a little bit more aggressive about discounting across the portfolio on digital PCR. I'm curious if you could talk on pricing.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, we'll start with continuum. And so I guess, I mean, Norman, please jump in. I guess having been a part of some of these conversations, Tycho, I think part of this is Jon coming in with his eyes and experience and really evaluating kind of where we're at. And at the end of the day, Bio-Rad is known to put high-quality products out there, and that's obviously important. And we thought it didn't meet up to the standards at this point in time. And therefore, we thought it was more prudent to delay the launch. In terms of -- listen, I'll just be blunt. We've given numerous dates and those dates haven't come to fruition, as you're pointing out. And so at this point, we think it's more reasonable to say let us work through it, and this is an important area of the market. And will bring the market or the product out at the appropriate time, and we'll obviously keep you informed of that.

Tycho Peterson
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay.

Norman Schwartz
Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Okay. Sorry, Tycho.

Tycho Peterson
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Go ahead, Norman.

Norman Schwartz
Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Yeah, it's just a matter of -- you get to always get to that intersection of optimism versus precision. And we want to have a good product in the market.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

And Tycho, I'll pick up your second question, and Jon and Norman, please jump in. From a ddPCR pricing standpoint, overall, we -- yeah. Obviously, it's gotten to be a competitive marketplace. We recognize that and in -- as a result of that, we want to be appropriately reactive to the market in terms of how it's moving. And so I think that's part of how we've approached it from a commercial standpoint.

Tycho Peterson
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay. A follow-up and maybe this is splitting hairs too much, but on BioProcess, you talked about inventory levels that your customers have, and you talked about destocking continuing. That's in contrast to kind of what we hear from a lot of your peers. So can you maybe just touch on that dynamic?

Norman Schwartz
Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

It just has to do with the specific customers we have and the level of stocking that they took in these kind of very critical materials. We're just a little bit different than the rest of the market.

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

And Tycho, remember, we play -- we don't play broadly across all of the stages of the bioprocessing, right? We're in a very specific area towards the end before the volume manufacturing of the therapeutics, right? So that's unique to us. And because of the importance of our resins, our customers stocked up quite significantly, and they continue to work their way through that.

Tycho Peterson
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay. Last one, just wondering if you can quantify the impact of the partner exiting donor screening as we think about that going forward?

Roop K. Lakkaraju
Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Bio-Rad Laboratories

It's in the -- it's in the low double digits kind of spectrum -- millions, yes.

Operator

And that was our final question from the audience for today's conference. Gentlemen, I'll turn it back to you for any additional or closing remarks that you have.

Edward Chung
Vice President, Investor Relations at Bio-Rad Laboratories

Thank you for joining today's call. We'll be at the UBS Global Healthcare Conference in Palos Verdes next month and the Citi Global Healthcare Conference in Miami in early December. So we hope to catch up with some of you in person in the coming months. And as always, we appreciate your interest, and we look forward to connecting soon.

Operator

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