Eversource Energy Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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[Operator]

Good morning, and thank you for attending the Eversource Energy Q3 2024 Earnings Call. My name is Alyssa [Phonetic], and I will be your moderator today. [Operator Instructions]

It is now my pleasure to pass the call to our host, Rima Hyder, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Rima.

[Rima Hyder, Vice President of Investor Relations at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I am Rima Hyder, Eversource Energy's Vice President of Investor Relations.

During this call, we'll be referencing slides that we posted yesterday on our website. As you can see on slide one, some of the statements made during this investor call may be forward-looking. These statements are based on management's current expectations, and are subject to risk and uncertainty, which may cause the actual results to differ materially from forecasts and projections. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any of these statements.

Additional information about the various factors that may cause actual results to differ, and our explanation of non-GAAP measures, and how they reconcile to GAAP results is contained within our news release, the slides that we posted last night and in our most recent 10-Q.

Speaking today will be Joe Nolan, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and John Moreira, our Executive Vice President, CFO, and Treasurer. Also joining us today is Jay Buth, our Vice President and Controller.

I will now turn the call over to Joe.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Thank you, Rima. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on this call. Let me begin today's call with the year-to-date progress we've made on our many priorities, and what has been accomplished, as highlighted on slide three.

First, in the third quarter, we reached an important milestone with the sale of Revolution Wind and South Fork Wind to global infrastructure partners. We have exited the offshore wind development business. We are now a pure-play regulated pipes and wires utility that delivers superior service and value to our customers.

Offshore wind has been a complex and challenging journey, one, where we made the decision to exit. We are proud of our contributions to advance offshore wind projects in New York and New England. We still believe that offshore wind is a vital solution needed for the region that will provide us with regulated investment opportunities. We will continue to be a leader in employing our strong transmission expertise to build our regulated onshore infrastructure that will support the clean energy transition in the region.

Second, we have a robust capital plan through 2028, where we expect to invest nearly $24 billion in our regulated electric, natural gas, and water business. Our plan includes nearly $6 billion of transmission and over $10 billion of electric distribution infrastructure investments through 2028. These investments are necessary to meet increasing low-growth, maintain safety, and reliability, and to achieve progress on the clean energy objectives of our three states.

Third, we recognize that we have work to do to strengthen our balance sheet and improve our credit position. We have made good progress towards improving our FFO-to-debt ratio through timely cost recovery, proceeds from the sales of our offshore wind investments, and our equity issuances. As you would expect, our financial strength is critical to continue providing safe, reliable service to our customers, and to continue on the journey toward enabling the clean energy future.

Additionally, we will continue to advance the sale of Aquarion, work with key stakeholders to advance the need for timely recovery of costs, and maintain our continued focus on O&M cost opportunities to further enhance our cash flows.

Fourth, we are confident that our robust five-year capital forecast and our forecasted financing plan will enable us to drive our 5% to 7% EPS long-term growth rate through 2028.

Lastly, we are a leader in clean energy transition with tremendous regulated opportunities ahead of us. As the largest utility in New England, Eversource is well-positioned to meet our state's mandated clean energy goals.

Turning to slide four. Let me talk about some of the clean energy initiatives we are working on. Recently, working together with the six New England states, we secured approximately $90 million in federal funding for a clean energy hub in Southeastern Connecticut. This Huntsbrook Offshore wind hub will support New England's clean energy transition while improving grid reliability across the region.

We also received approximately $20 million from the US Department of Energy to expand our battery energy storage project for Cape Cod area in Massachusetts. We're grateful to the DOE for this exciting opportunity to take our battery energy storage system to the next level to enhance electric reliability for our customers on Cape Cod.

Turning to slide five. We are particularly pleased with our partnership with Massachusetts, as it is clearly the leader in the New England region in connecting decarbonization goals with investment needs. Our Electric Sector Modernization Plan, or ESMP, was recently approved by the Massachusetts Department of Public Utilities. This plan is the roadmap for clean energy in the state and we believe it can become the model blueprint for the nation.

The ESMP provides for an additional $600 million in distribution investments within our current forecast period and unlocks a significant amount of transmission investment for interconnection infrastructure to enable clean energy projects. In developing our ESMP, we analyzed expected electric growth down to the circuit level to identify grid investments needed over the next five years and beyond. These investments will increase electrification capacity by over 180%, thereby making Massachusetts a leader in delivering clean energy to its homes and businesses.

And finally, as we have stated before, we are very pleased with the progress of our Massachusetts AMI program, which we and other stakeholders know is critical to enabling a clean energy future for our customers. We recently successfully implemented a new customer billing and information system in Massachusetts. The program is on track and we will begin the installation of the first smart meters next year.

In Connecticut, we recently received a draft decision from PURA for AMI. While the draft decision is a step in the right direction toward deploying AMI in achieving the state's clean energy goals, we have filed comments on certain provisions of the draft decision that would be challenging for us to move forward. We are hopeful that the final decision will provide a clearer path to allow us to make this important investment for our customers.

Turning to slide six, I want to highlight one of the most innovative low-growth solutions we are working on in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion Cambridge underground substation, the first of its kind and the largest underground substation in the United States is another example of our progressive partnership with Massachusetts to address the growing electricity needs of greater Cambridge and the region.

This project has already received approval from the Energy Facilities Siting Board. The project consists of a brand new 35,000 square foot underground substation incorporated into a residential and commercial project led by Boston Properties. It will be built 120 feet below ground and consist of eight new 115 kV underground transmission lines with capability for further expansion. Construction is slated to begin in the first quarter of 2025.

This unique investment opportunity would not be possible without the close collaboration between us and key stakeholders, including surrounding communities, and we believe this approach can be applied for future projects.

I am pleased with our progress to date on all fronts and the dedication of our hard-working employees. As a testament of this hard work, Eversource was recently recognized by Time Magazine as the number one utility in the United States and one of the best companies to work for in the world. We are honored to receive this strong reinforcement of our position as an energy industry leader.

Thank you for joining us on the call today. Eversource is uniquely positioned to leverage its skills, expertise, and scale to invest in utility infrastructure that provides a long runway of low-risk regulated investment opportunities and earnings growth potential. We have spoken to many of you over the last few months, and we recognize the importance of sustainable growth, strengthening our balance sheet and continuing to return value to our investors. I look forward to seeing many of you at the EEI conference next week.

I will now turn the call over to John to walk through our financial results and progress made towards strengthening our balance sheet.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Thank you, Joe. And good morning, everyone. This morning, I will discuss our third-quarter earnings results, including the impact from our offshore wind divestiture, provide a brief regulatory update, and review our financing activity.

In the third-quarter, we completed the sale of the offshore wind investment. As a result, we recognized an aggregate net loss on the divestiture of $524 million. Included in this loss was approximately $365 million related to obligations under the sale terms with GIP, the majority of which is expected to settle once Revolution Wind reaches its commercial operation date in 2026.

This estimate reflects the assessment of costs associated with the previously announced delay to the in-service date and higher projected construction costs of Revolution Wind along with other components of the sales agreement with GIP.

Turning to the quarterly earnings results on slide seven. GAAP results for the third-quarter were a loss of $0.33 per share. These results include an after-tax loss of $1.46 per share related to the offshore wind divestiture. Absent the offshore wind after-tax loss, recurring earnings were $1.13 per share in the third-quarter compared with GAAP and recurring earnings of $0.97 per share for the third-quarter of last year.

Breaking down the third-quarter earnings results by segment, starting with electric transmission, which earned $0.49 per share compared with earnings of $0.46 per share in 2023. Electric transmission earnings increased due to our continued investment in infrastructure needs. Electric distribution earnings were $0.57 per share for the quarter compared with earnings of $0.50 per share in 2023. Improved results were primarily driven by base distribution rate increases at NSTAR Electric and at PSNH, offset by higher interest, depreciation, and property tax expenses.

Our natural gas distribution business lost $0.09 per share for the quarter compared with a loss of $0.10 per share last year. The improved results were due to higher revenues from investments in natural gas infrastructure, partially offset by higher property taxes, depreciation, and interest expenses.

The water distribution segment contributed $0.07 per share this quarter compared with $0.05 per share last year. The increase in earnings was primarily due to lower depreciation expense and higher revenues from a water company acquisition that closed in late 2023. Eversource parent and other companies excluding the loss from offshore wind, earned $0.09 per share this quarter compared with recurring earnings of $0.06 per share last year. The improved third-quarter results primarily reflect a lower effective tax rate, partially offset by higher interest expense.

Overall, our third-quarter earnings results were in line with our expectations. We are updating our full-year 2024 recurring EPS guidance to a range of $4.52 to $4.60 due to higher than anticipated interest expense. We reaffirm our longer-term 5% to 7% EPS growth rate.

Turning to our regulatory update on slide eight. Starting with Massachusetts, as Joe mentioned, we received a decision in August on our Electric Sector Modernization Plan or ESMP. As a reminder, we filed an initial draft of the ESMP with the Grid Modernization Advisory Council in September of 2023 for their 70-day review.

We held stakeholder workshops in November followed by our final ESMP filing with the Massachusetts DPU in January of this year, which incorporated feedback from the Advisory Council and stakeholder recommendations. I'm pleased to report that this collaborative approach between the state's utilities and key stakeholders to enable a clean energy future resulted in the approval of an incremental $600 million of distribution investments to increase resiliency and to interconnect clean energy resources.

As a result, we have increased our five-year capital investment forecast to $23.7 billion. Also in Massachusetts in late October, as per our settlement agreement when we acquired EGMA, we received approval for our first rate-based reset filing. This filing will incorporate the infrastructure investments that have increased our rate base from approximately $800 million to $1.7 billion as of the end of 2023.

This rate-based reset is subject to a cap on revenue change. With the application of this revenue cap, we will implement a revenue increase of $77 million this year and $62 million in 2025. As a reminder, the next rate base reset is expected to be November 1 of 2027, covering investments through 2026.

Turning to New Hampshire, we are working through the cost prudency review of our late 2022 through early 2023 storm costs of $232 million, where we expect a final decision in the first-half of next year. As a reminder, the determination of the final storm costs for recovery will be incorporated into our June 2024 rate case filing. And we anticipate final rates will be effective next summer.

As part of the New Hampshire general rate case review, we have proposed to implement a four-year performance-based rate making plan, including a capital support mechanism that would adjust rates annually. Interim rates reflecting a $61 million increase took effect on August 1, providing rate stability for customers and enhanced cash flows for the company.

Moving to Connecticut. As Joe mentioned, last week we filed written exceptions to PURA's draft decision in the AMI cost recovery proceeding. The schedule calls for a final decision later this month. And we are hopeful that the decision will provide the transparency needed to undertake this critical investment.

Also in Connecticut, we expect to file a rate case for Yankee Gas shortly, where we have an operating revenue deficiency of approximately $210 million. This reflects core capital investments made since 2021 and projected investments through late 2026. Approval of our rate request will allow us to recover those costs and continue to make important investments in the future, keeping our system safe and reliable for our 252,000 customers in Connecticut.

Turning to our balance sheet improvements. We have provided several major drivers that we expect to enhance our FFO-to-debt metrics, as shown on slide nine. With the Connecticut rate adjustment related to public benefit costs in place effective July 1, our scheduled distribution rate increases and closing of our offshore wind sales in the third-quarter, along with additional regulatory rate recoveries and tax benefits, we continue to tick off a number of items to improve our cash flow position and make progress towards our FFO-to-debt target by 2025.

On the sale of our Aquarion water business, we have recently launched the second phase of the process, which would enable closing a sale by the end of 2025. Regarding our equity issuances, we have raised approximately $1 billion of equity through our ATM program and issued approximately 15.7 million common shares to date through October '24. In addition, we have issued 1.1 million shares of treasury stock.

In summary, as you can see on slide 11, we have a proven track record of earnings and dividend growth. And we are confident that our updated $23.7 billion five-year capital forecast and our forecasted financing plan will enable us to drive a 5% to 7% EPS growth rate through 2028, based off of our 2023 recurring EPS of $4.34.

I will now turn the call back to Rima for Q&A.

[Rima Hyder, Vice President of Investor Relations at Eversource Energy]

Alyssa, we are now ready to take our questions, please.

Questions and Answers

[Operator]

Thank you, Rima. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Shar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is now open.

[Shar Pourreza, Analyst at Guggenheim Partners]

Hey, good morning, guys.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Shar.

[Shar Pourreza, Analyst at Guggenheim Partners]

Good morning, Joe. Joe, I just wanted to maybe start really quickly on Millstone. Just a lot of discussion in Connecticut on the public benefits charges. Now it sounds like the State of Massachusetts is involved in the dialogue. Are you involved in these conversation? Is the net positive for both sides with the state's bulk at pricing above the current $50?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Well, I think it's interesting. I will tell you that there's a very strong working relationship between Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts as it relates to clean energy. Everyone's trying to do their part to secure clean energy for the region, given that we are capacity-constrained here. I've been involved only to the extent that I understand the objectives of these three parties. Those three parties are my friends. So, we do talk about what they're trying to achieve. I think you have Governor Lamont that would like some of the other states to participate in Millstone.

In terms of pricing, I have not been privy to what the thought is around pricing. I only have been privy to the fact that everybody is trying to bring something to the table. As you know, Massachusetts has 1,100 megawatts coming in from Clean Energy Connect in Canada, which they're passionate about. They have wind. We also have the Seabrook asset, which is under contract, and we have obviously the Dominion.

So, those are some of the tools that we have available for a carbon-free New England. And what I take great comfort in is the fact that these governors are all very mature governors. They all get along very, very well. And I am very confident that they will come to a decision or a solution that is beneficial to all of the customers in New England.

[Shar Pourreza, Analyst at Guggenheim Partners]

Got it. Perfect. And then, just lastly, Joe, I mean, Orsted this morning took another impairment on construction contingency and market prices with Revolution, I think, for another $250 million. What are your, I guess, remind us, what are your obligations costs here under the GIP agreement? Is this morning's Orsted impairment included in your net loss for offshore wind? Under the GIP agreement, are you going to fund the contingency and cost increase? Thanks. Appreciate it.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Shar, I'll turn it over to John.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Hey, Shar, it's John. Good morning. As you know, in this quarter, we did take a very sizable charge, a loss on rev to the tune of $900 million, if you exclude the gain for Sunrise. We were aware of the monopile issue that was highlighted in Orsted's commentary this morning. And we have factored that concern into our -- into that charge. We will continue to work very closely with the parties, including GIP and Orsted to monitor the progress that they will continue to make to mitigate this exposure.

[Shar Pourreza, Analyst at Guggenheim Partners]

Okay, got it. So, everything is embedded in your charge rates and no incrementals as of right now?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Right. As of right now.

[Shar Pourreza, Analyst at Guggenheim Partners]

Okay -- Okay. Perfect. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. See you in a couple of days.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

See you next week.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

See you next week.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Carly Davenport with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Carly.

[Carly Davenport, Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group]

Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Hey, thanks for taking the time. Maybe just to start on the financing side, you've now done about $1 billion of equity for the year. Messaging has been sort of up to $1.3 billion over the next several years. I guess, can you just provide some color on the cadence looking into '25 and beyond on the equity side in the context of what you've now done so far in 2024?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure Carly. Let me start by asking -- answering the question in this fashion. It's really all about our balance sheet improvement. We are focused on that. And I think this -- the fact that we did issue a $1 billion is a testament to how passionate we are about improving our balance sheet position. We will continue to update you as we progress, obviously in the -- in the fourth quarter call, which is literally within months away, we will refresh our -- our plan, give you our revised capital forecast, align it with our financing plan and disseminate the equity needs over that forecast period. So be patient with us. We'll have more information in a couple of months.

[Carly Davenport, Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group]

Great. We'll stay-tuned there. And then maybe just a follow-up on the -- the FFO-to-debt walk [Phonetic]. I appreciate the update on the known cash-flow enhancements moving higher here. Could you give us a little bit of a sense of when we look at that 3% to 4% benefit to FFO-to-debt from those enhancements, sort of how far you can get with the known enhancements versus having the Aquarion sale that's still kind of TBD built into those numbers?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Carly, the purpose of this slide once again continues to be to highlight the major drivers of the -- the enhancements to live at 3% to 4% improvements. I would say all of the items except for the one that we have highlighted as TBD are known and measurable. The rate adjustments was something that we were well along in the -- in the -- in this process. In my formal remarks, I mentioned that just a couple of days ago, we got the Mass DPU to approve the -- EGMA, which was $77 million that's come -- that went into rates November 1 with a -- a second rate adjustments happening 12 months from now. So, all -- all of those items are known and obviously, we have closed on both offshore wind transactions and we highlighted the -- the $1 billion of equity, that's also known. So I would say on this -- on these key major drivers, most of them are locked and loaded. The one that's still pending is the aquarion sale.

[Carly Davenport, Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group]

Great to see the progress there. Thanks so much for the time.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nick Campanella with Barclays. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Nick. -- good Morning, Nick.

[Nicholas Campanella, Analyst at Barclays]

Hey, Good morning. Good morning. So, thanks for the time. Just wanted to follow-up on Shar's question around the offshore wind cost, I just I recall that you kind of had the 50:50 sharing agreement with GIP and obviously some of the costs on Revolution have changed. Can you just kind of confirm are you now taking on 100% or is there still more to go there and what's that level look like now? Thanks.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Sure, Nick. We -- we are at that point where we have reached that cap. So you are correct, any further exposure would be shared 50% by Eversource and 50% by Orsted.

[Nicholas Campanella, Analyst at Barclays]

Okay. That -- that's helpful. And then on the 5% to 7% [Phonetic], I just wanted to kind of confirm, you know, you typically kind of rebase off of prior year actuals. So is that still kind of the plan as we get into the fourth quarter? So we would kind of take this new fiscal '24 guide and rebase off of that? And then does that 5% to 7% [Phonetic] include the Aquarium proceeds or is that upside to the plan? And how -- how should we think about that? Thank you.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure, Nick. Well, let me -- let me start by saying that the Aquarion was a key component of our financing plan. So you can assume that -- that is -- that's in there. I -- We highlighted in that FFO-to-debt slide, it is part of the assumption financing plan. Right now, we have no reason to deviate from what we have done for many, many years or well over a decade and that is to rebase as we move forward each year.

[Nicholas Campanella, Analyst at Barclays]

Thank you. See you at the EEI.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Sure. Thanks.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

See you at the EEI

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Durgesh Chopra with Evercore. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Durgesh..

[Durgesh Chopra, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Hey, good morning, Joe. Thank you for giving the time. Just a couple clarification questions. One, is that-- that Cambridge underground station investment, is that incorporated in the current five-year plan or would that be incremental?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

No, that has been incorporated in the five year plan. So, a lot of that spending will happen between '28. But the phase in of the in-service dates will happen over, think of it as a three year period '29, '30 and '31, but the bulk of the spend is on our current plan.

[Durgesh Chopra, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Okay. Thank you. So, it's in the plan. Clear. How about the funding of the $600 million higher capex? I guess, you'll -- that's -- you'll give us an update on the Q4 call, I guess. So, let me know [Speech Overlap] the best year [Phonetic].

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Exactly. I don't know -- exactly

[Durgesh Chopra, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Okay. Yes. Yes, understood. Okay. So, then maybe just can you, as you file this Yankee Gas rate case here, in the back-half of the month, maybe just talk to your strategy there, what to expect, will you be filing for a sort of a PBR framework like you've done in other states? And then, just how do you view the risk to ROEs, given sort of some of the data points and decisions we've seen in the state?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure, sure. I would tell you that we are introducing PBR. We like that construct from a rate stability that has worked very well for us in Massachusetts. We have recently introduced PBR in New Hampshire, so we would like to see that play its way through the Connecticut. So, we are proposing a construct that we feel is appropriate.

I would say, in terms of Yankee and how it's viewed, we view Yankee as a very well-run organization. We make investments that are needed to continue to provide safe and reliable gas service to the Connecticut customers. Yankee Gas has been under-earning for quite some time, so cash flows are very important to the company and we would like to enhance the cash flow position for Yankee in order to continue to make these needed investments. Of course, we are practical in our plan. We will hope to plan for very constructive outcomes.

[Durgesh Chopra, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the color.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Bill Appicelli with UBS. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Bill.

[Bill Appicelli, Analyst at UBS Group]

Hi. Good morning. Good morning. Can you maybe just expand upon the -- the comments around the Connecticut draft decision, the AMI docket? You mentioned some conditions that you would like to see modified. Can you -- can you just expand upon what you would like to see and make that a more acceptable outcome?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure. You know, one of the things that I think is important for us as we make investments not only -- not only in our other jurisdictions, but in Connecticut is to have a clear path for regulatory recovery of our costs as well as sound legal standards around any decision. It's a big investment. It's an important investment. And the decision that we received, it was a significant improvement, but there are certain aspects of that decision and certain elements of that decision that we need to get comfortable before we're willing to expend the capital for -- for the AMI program in Connecticut.

So we have commented, obviously, it's a very comprehensive docket. There's a lot of detail -- obviously the devils are in the details, but it's just the wind-up is clear regulatory certainty on the recovery of our dollars that we spend as well as sound legal principles and contained in that order, so that we can take comfort that when we invest the money on behalf of our customers, that we will get our money back?

[Bill Appicelli, Analyst at UBS Group]

Okay. And so then, how would it work after the final decision? I mean, do you -- is it potential to scale some of the investment -- up or down or would you have to sort of make a decision to do the program or not?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Well, I mean, we'd have to make a decision to move forward. And a couple -- as you know, the elements of it, which has gone very smoothly here in Massachusetts. I've been in this business for 40 years, I never thought that I would put in a -- a billing system because as you know, it -- it always ends badly, but we just put in a billing system, SAS billing system -- SAP, I mean, and we've got tremendous, tremendous success, to the point that we've -- we were [Phonetic] won several awards for the implementation. So, I am very, very pleased with that, but that would be the first thing that we would need to invest.

Obviously, we'd change out the billing system and then begin implementation, but -- AMI is not something you can do a piecemeal. You're either going to jump in and make the investment or you're going to wait until such time as you have the regulatory certainty needed. But I will tell you that if you really want to enable the grid, you want to get to a clean energy future -- AMI is really the answer to that. The opportunities in AMI around allowing customers to understand how they're spending their money, folks that want to interconnect -- some of their distributed generation, whether it's solar panels, whether it's a vehicle, those things are very, very important. AMI is critical for -- to enable that grid. So, it's kind of a all or nothing. I don't -- I don't see any kind of piecemeal there.

[Bill Appicelli, Analyst at UBS Group]

Okay. And -- and then, just the second part, on the -- the higher [Technical Issues] interest expense, is that -- was that more timing related or -- or rates being higher or just more debt being issued?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

I would -- I would say, well, obviously, because of the delay in offshore wind, we did need to be a -- a bit more aggressive with our debt offering. So, it's a combination of rates and volume, higher debt outstanding

[Bill Appicelli, Analyst at UBS Group]

Okay. All right. Great. Thank you very much.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Thank you, Bill.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Hey, Jeremy.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Jeremy.

[Jeremy Tonet, Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.]

Hi. Good morning. Hey, just want to dive into Aquarion a little bit more if I could. Appreciate there's limitations where you can save this juncture, but just any other high level comments that you could provide as far as, I guess, level of interest, how process is tracking versus expectations, and how you think about, I guess -- value achieved versus timing of sales execution here? Just any other color would be great.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure. This asset received a lot of attention. There's significant interest in the asset. It's a two-step process. We completed the first step. We are down to the buyer list that we're going to deal with. We feel very, very good about the process. The interest is -- is exceeded our expectations. And we do expect that, in the first quarter, we will -- by the first quarter, we'll have an announcement on the winner of that. And then, in Connecticut, there is a statutory process of six months and we feel very confident that we will close this transaction in 2025.

[Jeremy Tonet, Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.]

Got it. Great. That's very helpful there. Thanks. And -- and just -- wanted to touch on the equity a little bit more. Can you just remind us, maybe I missed it, apologies for that, if any of the equity issued was forward sale or just -- wanted to make sure I was straight on that.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

No, no. Those are the equity issuance -- issuances were not put on a forward. So, the cash is in the door.

[Jeremy Tonet, Analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co.]

Great. That's it for me. Thank you.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ross Fowler with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Ross. [Speech Overlap]

[Ross Fowler, Analyst at Bank of America]

Good morning. Good morning. So, just -- just a couple of questions from me on sort of going forward, looking at regulation. We've talked about Yankee and the deficiency there, and moving now to -- to PBR. Have you kind of -- have you got an initial estimate or a feel for -- how the PBR shift would sort of layer that into customer rates over time?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Well, P -- you know, the reason -- one of the reasons that we like P -- PBR, it's -- it's -- it does create a nice rate stability for our customers. You have these annual inflationary adjustments plus an additional performance added for -- for the utility. So, we really like that aspect of it. And I think that having that PBR, that annual rate adjustment, it does, in fact, mitigate the volatility that would -- would be led from a general rate proceeding. So, we -- we very much like PBR. You know, we -- we're not afraid of having those performance tied into -- targets that we can achieve that are reasonable and practical for us. So, we are a performance-based culture, and -- and we look forward to that proceeding.

[Ross Fowler, Analyst at Bank of America]

Yeah, maybe on that point, John, just kind of thinking about Massachusetts, and -- and what you've got there in terms of a regulatory setup. How do -- how do you -- you know, give us -- give us maybe some color on the -- the process of full electrification, and we've seen some policy statements that are pushing that forward in Massachusetts. How -- how do you think about -- the two things, one is, there's probably some bill pressure coming from that, but you've got some PBR there as well, but how do we contextualize also the other side of that, which is some -- some capital opportunity you guys have already started on, but like -- I'm just trying to like gauge the upside there [Speech Overlap] as you continue that transition in the state.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Sure. I think the -- the model that Massachusetts has deployed is one that we -- we are very supportive. And -- and as Joe mentioned, we feel that that's something that other utilities could -- could adapt to on -- on a broader perspective. There was a lot of -- with the ESMP, that's the -- the mechanism that I'm referring to, there was a lot of stakeholder collaboration to balance the investment needs to achieve electrification. We think that that's a very great model for all parties involved. Very balanced. So, when we filed that ESMP with the DPU -- the DPU know -- knew exactly what had happened before we filed that. There was support by key stakeholders of that filing. So, it kind of makes the regulatory and -- and, you know, the utility process, from a rate-making standpoint, a bit more straightforward, if you will. So, we are very supportive of that.

What we -- what we are implementing now is that, think of it as that first wave, the first four, five years of spend. Massachusetts wanted to look beyond that period. Look at what -- what's going to happen in 10 years and beyond. So, we think it's a very collaborative process and we're very much supportive of it.

[Ross Fowler, Analyst at Bank of America]

Yeah. That's perfect, John. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Steve.

[Steve Fleishman, Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Yeah. Hi, everybody. Good morning, Joe, John. Thanks. Just wanted to close the loop first on the revolution. Orsted also mentioned higher vessel costs for their impairment. Just wanted to clarify that that was also updated when you closed [Speech Overlap] your sales?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Yes. So, we -- we were aware of those -- those issues when, at the time that we -- we did the -- the charge. And -- the vessel issue has been rectified and we have that behind us. So, we -- we just need to keep monitoring the project development as we progress, Steve.

[Steve Fleishman, Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Okay. And then, a simple question. I -- I'm not sure I missed this, but just the -- the guidance range for this year -- just the midpoint down a couple pennies, not a -- not a big deal. Is that -- is it fair to say that that's just the equity issuance maybe coming a little earlier in the plan, or -- or is there some other driver this year?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

No, no. I -- I would say the -- the equity issuance was exact -- pretty much right on plan as to what we anticipated. It was really more of the -- the interest that -- the assumptions that we had in the plan. [Speech Overlap] We were -- we were hoping for further Fed action to be taken sooner in the year and that came a bit later. So, it's really interest related.

[Steve Fleishman, Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Okay. Thank you very much.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure. Thanks, Steve. See you next week.

[Steve Fleishman, Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Yep.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Sure. Thanks, Steve. See you next week.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Travis Miller with Morningstar. Your line is now open.

[Travis Miller, Analyst at Morningstar]

Good morning, everyone.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Travis.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Hey, Travis.

[Travis Miller, Analyst at Morningstar]

Just a little more on the ESMP and kind of higher level, linking it with the whole clean-energy idea. If you were to kind of put it in a percentage basis, how far does this get you, just that program, the $600 million, get to -- get you to kind of either where you need to be or where you want to be in terms of clean energy electrification? And I guess, another way to think about it is how much more is there to go to get to where you want to be? That [Phonetic] make sense?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Yeah, no. And I -- I know exactly where you're going. I think it's -- it's the starting point, but it's, once again, I want to remind you that it's not just the ESMP. Prior to the ESMP being implemented, we already had another program that the DPU had previously approved. Kind of the same investment needs and that's interconnection of clean energy resources, primarily solar in Massachusetts. We refer to that as the -- the CIP program, C-I-P. And that program that we filed for, it was six clusters throughout -- throughout the state of Massachusetts, predominantly in the southeastern part of the -- of Massachusetts.

So, it was six individual clusters. The DPU has approved five of the six. And that program was approximately $1 billion of a combination of T&D investments that we would make. So -- so that was kind of the first wave, if you will. And that was baked into our five-year plan. So, ESMP is the second wave, but there -- there is more to come.

[Travis Miller, Analyst at Morningstar]

Okay, beyond the ESMP. Okay.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Correct.

[Travis Miller, Analyst at Morningstar]

Okay. And then, Connecticut, should be now -- you -- you've been pretty forthright and public about the fact that you don't want to invest until you get better regulatory treatment there. Other than the AMI, what types of larger projects -- or are there even larger projects that are sitting on the sidelines right now that might come, either a gas or electric, if there were a positive at the gas -- Yankee Gas or -- or on the electric side?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

So, I -- I would say, obviously, the AMI is one that we would like to -- to see the -- the pathway to move forward. But as it relates to other investment opportunities, obviously, we have to be very mindful that the recovery mechanism absolutely needs to align as to when and the extent of those investments that we make in -- in the state of Connecticut. It's not about revenues, it's not about net income, it's all about getting the cash in the door to pay for those investments, whether they're O&M or capital. So, that is -- that is critical for us as any utility would operate. You really need that cash flow to be coming in a bit more timely.

Kicking the can down the road really doesn't accomplish net benefits for customers. It's short-sighted, and we just need to work collaboratively with this -- with -- with Connecticut to be able to -- to invest those -- the necessary investments to continue to make the system reliable, and safely.

[Travis Miller, Analyst at Morningstar]

Sure thing. Okay. Thanks for the thought.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Julien.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Hey. Good morning, Julien. [Phonetic]

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Hey, hey. How you guys doing? Good to chat. Thank you. So, just wanted to follow up on a couple of cleanup items here. I know earlier you were talking with Carly there about the FFO to debt. Can you just give us a little bit of sense of where you stand as of your kind of year-to-date sense as you track towards that -- that improvement? And I know you'd list out what the items are, but how -- how are you doing against that target, if you will?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

It's increased significantly from where we were in '23. So we have been making improvements. Just leave it. I would prefer to leave it at that. Julian.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Yeah. Okay. I got you there. And then, separately, a little bit of a cleanup item. You've talked a little bit about this -- this elevated interest expense here. Can you give us a sense, like, what is that gross run rate kind of year-end -- exiting or starting in the '25, if you will? Just -- kind of that net against the parent positive here, if you think about it? Is there kind of any way to kind of give us a gross magnitude that you're thinking about there, at this point, or [Speech Overlap] even as a report of run rate?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Just so I'm clear, can you repeat that question again?

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Yeah, on the -- you -- you talked about elevated parent interest expense [Speech Overlap] Maybe, can you give us a sense of, like, what that gross run rate is, at this point, if -- if you will, whether at quarter-end or entering '25, or what have you?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Well, if you look at the debt that parent has, you -- you can -- you can calculate that. But remember, we -- we were out there issuing equity the first half of the year, and we didn't get the wind proceeds, we didn't get the cash flow, we -- we didn't get the equity, the cash from the equity issuance until the second half. And pre -- and it was -- was -- predominantly in the third quarter that we issued the bulk of that equity. So, it did create a -- a drag. Obviously, having the $1 billion in the door, that has gone to offset some debt, and enhance the interest.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Awesome. Yeah, absolutely. And just -- just quickly, on the -- the new substation, kudos there. Interesting development there Any -- any cost, like, how do you think about the cost provisions and -- and recovery mechanisms there? Just give us a little bit of a larger size to figure it out on that front.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Yeah, again -- the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the Department of Public Utilities gives us clear line of sight. We've got solid estimates on that. And this is a transmission asset as well, but predominantly transmission. So, FERC-regulated, and we feel good about it. We've -- we've been working at that for several years in terms of estimates and pricing. And so, we don't anticipate any lag in terms of the recovery of even [Phonetic] $1 of that -- of that expenditure over there.

[Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group]

Got it. Okay. Fair enough. Thank you guys very much. See you soon.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Thank you. [Speech Overlap] We'll see you next week.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Andrew Weisel with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Andrew. [Speech Overlap]

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Hi, Andrew.

[Andrew Weisel, Analyst at Scotiabank]

[Speech Overlap] Hi. Good morning, everyone. First question I have for you is on the South Fork tax equity investment. You're still showing the $500 million in the cash flow walk. My question though is, given the timing of some of the losses and the write downs, do you still expect that full benefit to show up in -- by -- by year-end '25, or might some of that spill into 2026 or later?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Andrew, I actually think that that'll spill into beyond '26, and let me explain why. And then, the reason that we've left that number, $500 million, is not for the lack that we haven't found other tax benefits that we want to utilize prior to tapping into the -- the ITC bucket. So, we have been fortunate to -- to utilize other tax credits before tipping into that bucket. So, that $500 million, although this -- there'll be a shift out, but we've replaced that with other tax attributes.

[Andrew Weisel, Analyst at Scotiabank]

Okay, got it. So the dollars will be replaced with other dollars, so the math still works. It'll just be able to use those credits in later years, in other words, is that right?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Correct, correct. And -- and that's one of the items that will give -- will give you an update on the fourth quarter cost.

[Andrew Weisel, Analyst at Scotiabank]

Okay. Great. That's helpful. Then more broadly on that walk, always appreciate the details, even though there's a lot of moving part -- well, because there's a lot of moving parts. When I look at the bottom-line there, obviously you're now showing $3.75 billion. That's up quite a bit from $2.6 billion last quarter. The punch line is still 14% to 15%. You -- how -- how do you trend though? Or -- does that mean that you're more confident in that? Are you may be thinking more of the higher end versus the low end, or is it just more better visibility in getting to that range?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Well, I -- I would say that -- we did -- we didn't quantify. We had it as an item that says TBD, equity needs, the Aquarion on sale, and rate cases. So, we've just included more known and measurable items, such as $1 billion of equity needs and the -- and the rate increases. But I -- I would say that we're still in that 14% to -- to 15% range.

[Andrew Weisel, Analyst at Scotiabank]

Okay. That's very helpful. Then last one, high level in Connecticut. You talked a lot about the AMI, and -- and more broadly, obviously it's a tough environment, not only in terms of approvals, but there's a lot of concern about affordability. My question is when you think about putting capital to work in Connecticut versus other states, what should we expect when we see the capex update in three months? I'm not looking for numbers. I know we have to be patient, but how do you think qualitatively about putting capital to work there versus in other more constructive states? And -- and is there the potential to maybe move more capital away from Connecticut like you did a few months ago?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Yeah, well, that's, I mean, a few months ago, as you know, we took $500 million out of that plan, and we will continue to monitor it. And obviously, if -- if things change down there and -- and they decide they want to provide timely cost recovery and follow legal standards, we will redeploy the $500 million. But I will tell you -- I take great comfort that there's significant amount of opportunities for investment across the Eversource portfolio. We've got two jurisdictions in New Hampshire and Massachusetts, that there's no shortage of opportunities for investment that give us timely recovery of our -- of our costs. So, again, we're -- we're staying very, very close to it. And -- I -- I am a eternal optimist. The glass is half full, and I hope that we do see a change down in Connecticut so that we can -- we can -- you know, I mean, make the investments that are needed for our customers.

[Andrew Weisel, Analyst at Scotiabank]

All right. [Speech Overlap] Thank you very much.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

I -- I would just add that our focus to get the balance sheet to where we need to be is really for the benefit of customers, and we're very focused on that. So, it's important that we get timely recovery of these investments in our operating costs, otherwise, utilities are just going to be forced to kind of pull back on both buckets.

[Operator]

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Angie Storozynski with Seaport. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Good morning, Angie.

[Angie Storozynski, Analyst at Angie Storozynski]

Thank you. Good morning. So, lots of questions, so thanks for squeezing in. Just one question about your earnings benefits from the NECEC transmission line. I remember, in the past, when we -- had waited for that project to -- to come online, there was like a -- an earnings benefit associated with -- with the interconnection into this transmission line eventual. And I'm just wondering if that -- if you could quantify that benefit and also if that benefit changed depending on the -- the capital cost of this project -- given the -- the recent increase that was approved in Massachusetts. Thank you.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

So -- Angie, just to be clear, that's not one of the projects where we were seeking the opportunity from an interconnection standpoint, if that's what you're referring to. The benefit that we get from executing the PPA agreement is the remuneration.

[Angie Storozynski, Analyst at Angie Storozynski]

That's right. Okay. So -- so [Speech Overlap] there's no like a earnings benefit, just the -- okay.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

No, there is, there is. The earnings benefit is, because of the size of the PPA, over a long period of time, in order to preserve and strengthen our balance sheet, we get a remuneration on the annual billings for that project. So, it's about 2-point -- 2.25 -- yeah, 2.25% that we get.

[Angie Storozynski, Analyst at Angie Storozynski]

Okay.

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

That then -- and that's [Speech Overlap] that's what helps us maintain -- maintain -- and -- and the earnings that we were able to recognize from that project.

[Angie Storozynski, Analyst at Angie Storozynski]

And that percentage is over the -- the cost of power delivered, or just -- just again, is it linked to the capital [Speech Overlap] cost of the project?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

It's the value that we bill our customers. So, that contract is all utilities in Massachusetts -- all electric utilities have to execute the PPA. So, if we bill a dollar to customers, we get a dollar or two.

[Angie Storozynski, Analyst at Angie Storozynski]

I understand. Okay, okay. [Speech Overlap] I might follow-up in the past [Phonetic]. And also, E -- I mean, and I -- I understand that the saga associated with those transmission lines over the last couple of decades, actually, but -- but how are you, I mean, looking at these -- these projects -- going forward? I mean, would you consider maybe reviving your transmission line from -- from Canada? I mean, how would you actually see that the supply backdrop for your -- or for New England and overall -- given the -- the load back -- load growth that we're seeing granted? I understand that -- that most of the other data centers are not going to be in New England, but I'm just wondering how you're thinking about the supply-demand dynamics in New England?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Yeah, well -- I'll -- I'll just tell you that where we sit today, we are a -- we are a pure-play regulated utility. I've promised all of you on the call and many others in the world that we are not going to swing for the fences anymore. We're looking for the singles and the doubles. We'll look at it in the regulated space. So, I don't want anyone to worry that we are going to go and propose a transmission line to Canada as a merchant project, because that's not something that we would do. That would definitely deviate from -- from this company's plan to be a purely regulated pipes and wires company.

[Angie Storozynski, Analyst at Angie Storozynski]

Okay. See you guys soon. Thank you.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Thank you. See you next week.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our last question today comes from the line of Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Your line is now open.

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Hey. Good morning, Paul

[Paul Patterson, Analyst at Glenrock Associates]

Hey, hey. Good morning. Last but not least, hopefully. So -- so really quickly on the -- on the AMI -- when I looked through your exceptions, I mean, I -- I understood pretty much all of it. The only thing with the -- with the O&M, it seemed to me that this is -- and correct me if I was wrong, you guys were concerned about just the ability to institute the rate increases. That seemed more of the issue than -- than with respect to the -- incremental O&M than -- than there being a dispute about the incremental O&M. Am I correct in that?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Yeah, Paul, why don't you -- why don't we have my investor relations team kind of take you through some of those details, if you don't mind.

[Paul Patterson, Analyst at Glenrock Associates]

Okay. No problem. And then -- and then, with respect to one of the things that we're -- we're see -- and -- and I -- I know this isn't necessarily directly associated with you guys, but there is this discussion about offshore wind, some -- some concerns about the impact of offshore wind's costs on Connecticut, and I know this isn't specifically -- you guys are getting out of the business, obviously, and what have you, but -- but there's a discussion about swapping Millstone. Again, not your facility, with perhaps offshore wind and what have you. And I was just wondering if -- if you -- how you guys, I mean, from your perspective, are -- are seeing these -- are seeing this -- this sort of longer-term regional questions about offshore wind and Connecticut's participation maybe in it, what have you, having any potential impact, or just any comments you have about how you see the -- so, basically, Angie's kind of question here about the -- the outlook for -- for power prices, and -- and what have you, in the state even though they may not be directly associated with your business. Nonetheless, you guys are delivering the power to people and you guys are concerned about affordability, I -- I know. So, just what are you -- what are your thoughts about the discussions that you're -- that we're hearing about offshore wind, and potentially the swap with nuclear?

[Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer at Eversource Energy]

Yeah. Well, I just will tell you that -- as I mentioned earlier in the call, that you've got three governors that -- that are very actively engaged around the clean energy story. And it's kind of like a potluck supper. Yeah, you've got -- Connecticut wants to bring nuclear to the table and Massachusetts [Phonetic] has the hydro coming in out of Canada, you've got a nuclear plant in New Hampshire. So, there is a lot of folks that want to bring certain energy resources to the table. The governor of Connecticut would like to have some of the other states pay for the -- the Millstone assets. I think Massachusetts would like -- Connecticut to pay for some of the wind assets.

So, all I'll tell you is that what I take comfort in is that there's this very strong working relationship between the New England governors. I mean, they're all -- they're all very, very cordial. And I -- I have no doubt in my mind that they'll come up with a solution that will benefit all of the customers of New England. I mean we are in a tough situation given our location, and we are capacity constrained, and we're not seeing new resources other than, say, the wind and the hydro coming. Those are really the only injections that are taking place at this point. So, I'm optimistic. We'll see how it plays out. But just know that -- that there is very constructive dialog going on that everyone has to kind of take a piece of everyone else's recipe.

[Paul Patterson, Analyst at Glenrock Associates]

I got you. And then -- just respect to the climate bill?

[John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President at Eversource Energy]

Yeah -- as on Massachusetts -- obviously, we're very pleased. We were -- certainly had a major seat at the table there. And I think it's -- the -- the one understanding, I think, that everyone sees is, if you want to have a clean-energy future you want to electrify -- infrastructure needs to be cited in a timely manner. You can't -- you can't wait five -- five years for something at ten years. So -- one of the things that I'm most proud of is that -- we are -- we -- we have a very active presence in -- in environmental justice communities. We want to make sure that nobody is adversely impacted. And I think that's what allowed us to get the citing so smoothly in Cambridge, is that -- when they went around the room as to who -- who had a seat at the table, I think everyone felt that everyone got a seat at the table and everyone's voice was heard, and consequently, we had a very favorable outcome.

[Operator]

Thank you. I would now like to turn the call-back to Rima for closing remarks.

[Rima Hyder, Vice President of Investor Relations at Eversource Energy]

Thank you, Alyssa. Thank you everyone for joining us this morning. We will see many of you next week. This ends today's call. Thank you.

[Operator]

[Operator Closing Remarks]

Participants

Corporate Executives

• Rima Hyder, Vice President of Investor Relations
• Joe Nolan, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
• John Moreira, Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President

Analysts

• Shar Pourreza, Guggenheim Partners
• Carly Davenport, The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
• Nicholas Campanella, Barclays PLC
• Durgesh Chopra, Evercore ISI
• Bill Appicelli, UBS Group AG
• Jeremy Tonet, JPMorgan Chase & Co.
• Ross Fowler, Bank of America Co.
• Steve Fleishman, Wolfe Research
• Travis Miller, Morningstar, Inc.
• Julien Dumoulin-Smith, Jefferies Financial Group Inc.
• Andrew Weisel, Scotiabank
• Angie Storozynski, Angie Storozynski
• Paul Patterson, Glenrock Associates