NYSE:UNM Unum Group Q1 2022 Earnings Report $78.57 -0.77 (-0.97%) Closing price 04/25/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$78.46 -0.12 (-0.15%) As of 04/25/2025 04:05 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Unum Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.36Consensus EPS $0.81Beat/MissBeat by +$0.55One Year Ago EPS$1.04Unum Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.98 billionExpected Revenue$3.02 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$41.81 millionYoY Revenue Growth-2.90%Unum Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2022Date5/5/2022TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, May 6, 2022Conference Call Time8:15AM ETUpcoming EarningsUnum Group's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, April 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Unum Group Q1 2022 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 6, 2022 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 15 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to Unum Group First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Elliot, and I'll be coordinating your call today. I would now like to hand over to our host, Tom White, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:22Great. Thank you, Elliot. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Q1 20 22 Earnings Conference Call for Unum. Our remarks today will include forward looking statements, which are statements that are not of current or historical fact. As a result, actual results might differ materially from results suggested by these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:00:42Information concerning factors that could cause results To differ appears in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and are also located in the sections titled Cautionary Statement Regarding Forward Looking Statements And risk factors in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2021. Our SEC filings can be found in the Investors section of our website at unum.com. I remind you that the statements in today's call Speak only as of the date they are made, and we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. A presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations of any non GAAP financial measures included in today's presentation Can be found in our statistical supplement on our website also in the Investors section. Yesterday afternoon, Unum reported Q1 2022 Net income of $253,500,000 or $1.25 per diluted common share, An increase from the $153,000,000 or $0.75 per diluted common share in the Q1 of 2021. Speaker 100:01:54Net income for the Q1 of 2022 included the after tax amortization of the cost of reinsurance of $13,200,000 or $0.06 per diluted common share and an after tax investment loss on the company's investment portfolio of $10,600,000 or $0.05 per diluted common share. Net income in the Q1 of 2021 included The net after tax loss from the 2nd phase of the Closed Block individual disability reinsurance transaction of $56,700,000 or $0.27 per diluted common share. Also, the after tax amortization of the cost of reinsurance Excluding the net realized investment gain associated with the reinsurance transaction of $13,500,000 or $0.06 for diluted common share. So excluding these items, after tax adjusted operating income in the Q1 of 2022 was $277,300,000 or $1.36 per diluted common share, an increase from the $212,000,000 or $1.04 per diluted common share in the year ago quarter. Participating in this morning's conference call are Unum's President and CEO, Rick McKinney Chief Financial Officer, Steve Zabel Chief Operating Officer, Mike Simons As well as Mark Till, who heads our Unum International Business. Speaker 100:03:37Tim Arnold, the Head of our Colonial Life and Voluntary Benefits Business, He's away with his family attending his son's graduation from law school this morning, which is a very exciting and proud moment for the Arnold family. So now I'll call turn the call over to Rick for his opening comments. Speaker 200:03:53Great. Thank you, Tom, Speaker 300:03:53and good morning, everyone. We do appreciate you joining us this morning. And let me start Our first quarter results were an outstanding start to the year. We saw dramatic shifts in the environment throughout the quarter, which have been very favorable to our business. Since we've last talked to you, we have seen COVID mortality levels come down consistently. Speaker 300:04:12Of the estimated 153,000 COVID deaths in the U. S. Population in the Q1 fewer than 30,000 were reported in March. And there was also a notable in the demographic impacts by the omicron variant relative to what we saw last year. Additionally, we have seen positive impacts from the current inflationary environment, Seeing the 10 year treasury move up nearly 140 basis points since the start of the year. Speaker 300:04:38These are welcome developments and helped our recovery accelerate faster As a result, we saw 1st quarter after tax operating earnings at $1.36 per share, which was up 31% over the previous year. There was broad based solid performance on both the top and bottom line. And taking that into account, we now look to an expected operating EPS growth rate for the year of 15% to 20%, up from the 4% to 7% previously expected. To set the broader context of how we stand in the current environment, the three elements most being discussed in the financial markets are all on a positive trend for us. First is how COVID has lessened and shifted its age demographic. Speaker 300:05:22It is not making the same headlines, but COVID driven mortality is still one we need to monitor as our lifelines look to get back to pre COVID claim levels. The second is the full employment and inflationary environment we're operating in. For employers, there is pressure to increase wages as they look to find workers in a very unique time. This creates top line growth for us as these workers look to protect their higher levels of income. And third, our interest rates, which play very positively for our new investments backing our product lines, both in our ongoing core business lines and new cash flows coming into our closed block. Speaker 300:05:59Before getting further into the results, I do want to take a moment to reflect on how our purpose of helping the working world thrive throughout life's moments continues to guide all that we do. As the effects of COVID continue to lessen, our employees have stepped up in new ways. And I would like to highlight our colleagues in Poland who have shown uncommon resilience as they continue to demonstrate compassion, outreach and support to the growing Ukrainian refugee crisis. The situation remains heartbreaking, but we take the utmost pride in our team's caring spirit in this time of need. So turning to our operating trends for the quarter, there Speaker 400:06:33are a few areas Speaker 300:06:34I'd like to highlight. First, we're pleased with the growth in premium income that is emerging in our core business segments. In the Q1, we recorded 1.7% growth year over year in premium income from our core business segments combined. This compares to a growth of 1.2% for all of 2021. For the rest of 2022, we are anticipating growth to accelerate So that we are at just over 2% for the full year, and we are well on track to accomplish that. Speaker 300:07:04Adding to our confidence is a solid start to the year for new sales, with year over year increases of 7% in Unum U. S. In total And 15% for Colonial Life as well as 55% for Unum UK and 35% for Unum Poland in their local currencies. Persistency levels were solid across the company and we are making good progress with our renewal plans as we look to continue to prudently implement targeted rate increases. 2nd, benefits experience was generally positive as we look at our benefit ratios for the Q1 compared to the Q4 of 2021. Speaker 300:07:39The Unum US Group Disability line showed substantial improvement at 73.8% for the Q1 as our claim recoveries in long term disability were very strong And short term disability results improved sequentially. The Unum US Group Life and AD and D line showed significant improvement as well, declining approximately 10 points from the prior quarter as the age demographic shifted, lessening the mortality impact for working age individuals. And also related to that age With COVID related mortality impacting the elderly population more significantly this quarter, we saw the LTC interest adjusted loss ratio decline by 12 points to 70% in the Q1. And finally, I'd highlight the improved benefits experience in Colonial Life, which generated its lowest benefit ratio in some time at 49% in the Q1. The 3rd operating trend I'd highlight is from the Q1 was on expenses. Speaker 300:08:33At our outlook meeting earlier this year, we indicated that we expected to see increased pressure on expenses this year as we managed through increased people costs, Pandemic related costs and a normalizing environment. We still see this emerging later in the year. The reality is our teams have done an Excellent job of managing through these pressures so far in 2022 as we have been working hard to fill open positions. Each of our core business segments reported an improved operating expense ratio in the Q1 compared to the 4th. We don't believe that these pressures have gone away as we will continue to invest in several major initiatives to connect with customers, To improve our efficiencies and to catch up on staffing, but I am pleased with the discipline we have shown in managing expenses in this inflationary environment. Speaker 300:09:19In addition to these strong operating trends, the current business environment remains very favorable for us. Rising interest rates and winding Credit spreads so far this year have been very beneficial in new money yields. In addition, it is particularly beneficial to the LTC line. To the extent rates remain at current levels, it would strengthen our ability to fully fund the premium deficiency reserve for long term care ahead of the original schedule. Rising wages and strong levels of employment across the economy also provide a tailwind for us to top line growth as the natural growth created by these forces So quite favorable, increasing by over $60,000,000 on a year over year basis to $200,000,000 for the Q1 of 2022. Speaker 300:10:10This helped drive the risk based capital ratio for our traditional U. S.-based insurance companies to approximately 400%. With holding company liquidity at approximately $1,300,000,000 leverage at 25%, which is the lowest level we've seen since 2014, And with our contingent capital structure in place, we are in great shape with our capital position to execute the deployment priorities we outlined at our recent investor meeting, Including the ability to fund the LTC premium deficiency reserve by the end of 2024, repurchasing $200,000,000 of our shares annually as well as increasing shareholder dividends, which we will discuss when our Board meets later this month for our annual shareholders meeting. In summary, I'm very pleased with our performance in the Q1 and the optimism it creates as we move forward. Now I'll ask Steve to cover the details of the Q1 results. Speaker 300:11:00Steve? Speaker 500:11:01Great. Thank you, Rick, and good morning, everyone. As Rick outlined for you, the Q1 was a very strong quarter for the company as we benefited from both a favorable shift And the COVID related trends this quarter and strong operating performance in many parts of our business. As I cover our Q1 results, I will primarily focus on a Discussion of our Q1 results relative to the Q4 of 2021, which will allow us to demonstrate how the company's business lines have been progressing through the pandemic. To start and provide some broader context on the quarter, there were 2 significant shifts in the COVID trends this quarter that had important impacts on our Q1 results. Speaker 500:11:41First, COVID related mortality increased in the U. S. In the Q1 of 2022 Compared to the Q4 of 2021, it was also higher than our estimate coming into the year. Additionally, the shift in the age demographics of the mortality Back to a greater relative impact on the elderly population and less than the working age population had important implications on our business. If you recall for most of 2020 and the early months of 2021, COVID related mortality impacted the elderly population more so In the second half of twenty twenty one, the age demographic shifted and COVID related mortality showed an increased level of impact amongst the working age population and less so among the elderly population. Speaker 500:12:27In the Q1 of 2022, the age demographic shifted back And was more consistent with what the U. S. Experienced in 2020, that is less impact among the working age population and more in the elderly population. This shift is significant to our business as it drove lower mortality experience in our group life block, which primarily covers working aged individuals. This is evident both in terms of the percentage of the national COVID related mortality that we see in our book and the average benefit size. Speaker 500:12:58In addition, the higher mortality among the elderly population resulted in higher mortality in the claimant block for our long term care business, which drove a lower interest adjusted loss ratio in the Q1 of 2022. The second trend we saw was a rapid decline in COVID infection rates And hospitalization rates through the Q1. This had a favorable impact on our short term disability results, which helped drive the improvement we saw in our Unum US I'll dig into these two trends more deeply as I discuss the performance of these lines, But the age demographics of our mortality and the decline in infection rates were important factors in our Q1 results. I'll begin my review of our operating performance with the Unum U. S. Speaker 500:13:43Segment. Adjusted operating income showed a sharp increase To $171,600,000 in the Q1 of 2022 compared to $81,400,000 in the Q4 of 2021, Primarily driven by strong sequential quarter improvement in the group disability and group life and AD and D lines As well as continued high levels of operating income from the supplemental and voluntary lines. So within the Unum U. S. Segment, the group disability line A strong rebound in adjusted operating income to $62,600,000 in the Q1 from $34,100,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 500:14:22The biggest driver of the earnings improvement was the benefit ratio for group disability, which improved in the Q1 to 73.8% compared to 78.3 percent for the Q4 of 2021. This improvement was driven in large part by strong performance in the long term disability line as claim recoveries were very favorable. Additionally, new claim incidents for LTD declined on a sequential quarter basis, So this was offset somewhat by higher average claim size. As I mentioned previously, results in the short term disability line also improved relative to the Q4. So looking forward, we expect the group disability benefit ratio to average in the mid-seventy percent area consistent with the range we provided at our outlook meeting. Speaker 500:15:10Adjusted operating income for Unum US Group Life and AD and D also showed strong improvement with an operating loss of $9,400,000 in the Q1 compared to a loss $71,700,000 in the 4th quarter. This quarter to quarter improvement was primarily the result of an improvement in the benefit ratio, mostly driven by the shift in the age demographics of the COVID related mortality, which I described earlier. In the Q4 of 2021, COVID related mortality In the U. S. Population was an estimated 127,000 with approximately 35% of those deaths among the working age population. Speaker 500:15:49In the Q1 of 2022, while the mortality count increased to approximately 153,000, The impact to the working age population declined to approximately 24%. For our group LifeLock, we estimate that COVID related mortality claims Declined from an estimated 1725 claims in the 4th quarter to an estimated 1400 claims in the 1st quarter. Accordingly, our results reflect a lessening in our exposure to the national mortality count to slightly less than 1% of the reported national figures In the Q1 compared to approximately 1.4% in the 4th quarter and 2% in the Q3 of last year. Looking back to 2020, we saw similar exposure to national mortality count of about 1% when the age demographics were generally similar. In addition, we also saw a lower average benefit size, which declined to slightly less than 55,000 In the Q1 compared to around 65,000 in the Q4 of last year. Speaker 500:16:53Finally, non COVID related mortality did not materially impact results in the Q1 relative to the experience of the Q4. Over the course of the pandemic, the count and age demographics COVID related mortality has heavily influenced our Group Life results. In our plans, we have assumed that national mortality related to COVID We'll decline significantly in the Q2 and remain at lower levels for the balance of 2022. For the Q2, we can see the group AD and D benefit ratio declined further to around 80%. However, these measures have historically been very difficult to predict, So we suggest that you follow the national trends as a basis for your projections and estimates. Speaker 500:17:38Now looking at the Unum U. S. Supplemental and voluntary lines, Earnings remained at very healthy levels with adjusted operating income of $118,400,000 in the first quarter Compared to $119,000,000 in the 4th quarter. Looking at the 3 primary business lines. First, we remain very Pleased with the performance of the individual disability recently issued block of business, which has generated strong results throughout the pandemic. Speaker 500:18:04The benefit ratio was slightly higher on a sequential quarter basis, but remained well within the experience we have seen over the past 2 years. Likewise, the voluntary benefits line reported a strong level of income as well, with the benefit ratio declining slightly on a sequential quarter basis, primarily reflecting strong performance across the ANH and disability products. Finally, utilization in the dental and vision line increased Relative to the Q4 and the average cost per procedure was also somewhat higher, leading to an increase in the benefit ratio for that line on a sequential quarter basis. All in all, though, the supplemental and voluntary lines continue to perform very well and remain a strong income generator for us. In looking at premium trends and drivers, we were pleased to see additional momentum building for Unum US with growth in premium income of 1.3% in the first On a year over year basis. Speaker 500:19:00For full year 2021, premium income for Unum U. S. Increased by 1% compared to 2020. Looking at the group disability line, growth in premium income is closely tracking our outlook, increasing 1.9% on a year over year basis With increasing levels of natural growth as we benefit from high employment levels and rising wages, solid sales And persistency trends and careful management of our renewal programs. Sales growth for Unum US was encouraging with growth of 6.8% year over year As growth in the group lines and individual disability offset softer sales in voluntary benefits. Speaker 500:19:38Overall, we are pleased with persistency trends this quarter which showed some variation by line of business, but our total group block was stable at 89.6% in the 1st quarter. Natural growth continues to develop as a tailwind for us, increasing 3.5% to 4% year over year as we continue to benefit from strong employment levels In the U. S. As well as higher wage levels, particularly in our core market segment. And finally, we have been encouraged by the progress we are seeing with our pricing strategy, Particularly in the large employer group disability, group life and services market where pricing action is appropriate. Speaker 500:20:15Then moving to the International segment, we had another very good quarter with adjusted operating income for the Q1 of $27,200,000 in line with the $27,100,000 reported in the 4th quarter. The primary driver of our International segment results is our Unum UK business, It generated adjusted operating income of £19,200,000 in the 1st quarter compared to £18,700,000 in the 4th quarter. The reported benefit ratio for EDAM UK was 80.7% in the Q1 compared to 81.4% in the 4th quarter. And as we have outlined in the past, Inflationary trends in the U. K. Speaker 500:20:53Will impact our reported benefit ratio and can map the underlying claims experience we are seeing. For the Q1 excluding the impact of inflation, our overall benefits experience was slightly unfavorable compared to the 4th quarter With favorable experience in group life offset by unfavorable experience in the group disability line. All in all, we are pleased to see the Unum UK results continue to improve towards the £20,000,000 per quarter goal. Similarly, benefits experienced in Unum Poland trended slightly higher on a sequential quarter basis, So adjusted operating income was generally consistent quarter to quarter. So the year over year premium growth in our International business segment was very strong this quarter, Increasing 7.7% on a year over year basis in dollars. Speaker 500:21:39On a local currency basis to neutralize the impact from changes in exchange rates, Unum UK generated growth of 11% year over year, the strongest rate of growth in Unum UK in several years, Driven by strong persistency, improving sales trends and the continued successful placement of rate increases on our in force block. Sales in Unum UK were very strong in the Q1, increasing 55% over the year ago quarter. Unum Poland generated sales growth of 35% in local currency, a continuation of the strong growth trend this business has been producing. Next, results for Colonial Life were also very strong with adjusted operating income of $90,100,000 in the 1st quarter Compared to $80,000,000 in the 4th quarter, one of the primary drivers of these results was an improvement in the benefit ratio in the 1st quarter 49.3% compared to 52.5% in the 4th quarter. This was largely driven by very favorable in the cancer and critical illness line as well as improved performance in the accident, sickness and disability line. Speaker 500:22:46We are pleased to see a continuation in the improving trend in premium growth for Colonial Life, which increased 1% on a year over year basis after declining 1.3% in full year 2021. Driving this improving trend in premium is the rebound we have seen in new sales over the past 4 quarters and generally stable persistency. For the Q1, sales for Colonial Life increased 15.3% compared to the year ago Q1 following an increase of 16.1% for the full year 2021. Persistency for Colonial Life was 78.7% for the Q1 Compared to 78.4 percent for the year ago quarter, it will take a couple of years to return to pre pandemic levels of premium growth in the Colonial Life segment, But we are encouraged that the level of absolute quarterly premium income has recovered for Colonial to pre pandemic levels. In the Closed Block segment, adjusted operating income excluding the amortization of cost of reinsurance related to the Closed Block individual disability Insurance transaction was $94,100,000 in the 1st quarter compared to $76,700,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 500:24:02The increase in the segment earnings was largely driven by higher earnings in the long term care line as a result of favorable benefits experience. The interest adjusted loss ratio for LTC declined to 70.2% in the 1st quarter from 82.2% in the 4th quarter, Primarily driven by a higher claimant mortality, which is approximately 10% higher than we expected on a seasonally adjusted basis by claim count And by favorable new claim incidents. For the Closed Block individual disability line, the interest adjusted loss ratio increased to 78.7% In the Q1 compared to 75.4% in the 4th quarter, but remain within our long term expectations. Salting levels of miscellaneous investment income continue to contribute to the strong adjusted operating income we have seen in the Closed Blocks segment Over the past several quarters in the past two quarters, however, we have seen some moderation in the contribution compared to the recent peak levels we were More specifically, total miscellaneous investment income in the Closed Block declined by approximately $4,000,000 in the 1st quarter compared to the Q4. As a reminder, we saw a reduction of approximately $10,000,000 in total miscellaneous investment income from the 3rd quarter to 4th quarter driven primarily by a lower level of bond calls. Speaker 500:25:27The current level of miscellaneous investment income remains well above what we expect to generate on an ongoing basis as the returns from our alternative investment portfolio continue to outperform our long term expectations. Wrapping up my commentary on the quarter's financial results, The adjusted operating loss in the corporate segment was $40,400,000 in the 1st quarter $45,100,000 in the 4th quarter. Going forward, we anticipate quarterly losses in this segment to be consistent with this quarter's results. Moving now to Net investment income, we are seeing a much better environment for new money yield opportunities given the rise in interest rates and widening in corporate bond spreads so far this year. In the Q1, our new money purchases exceeded our 4th quarter purchases by 110 basis points. Speaker 500:26:16While current new money yields remain below our portfolio yields, the gap has narrowed significantly so far in 2022. Miscellaneous investment income in the Q1 for the company overall totaled $41,000,000 and this compares to approximately $58,000,000 in the 4th quarter And was below what we saw in 2021. Miscellaneous investment income from bond calls declined by about $10,000,000 on a sequential quarter basis With most of the decline impacting net investment income in our core business lines, we expect income from bond calls to remain below the elevated levels we in 2020 2021 as higher interest rates reduces the economic incentive for many companies to refinance their outstanding debt. While this will likely have a negative impact on current net investment income, it will help support the current portfolio yields as we retain The higher yielding securities in the portfolio. Income from our alternative investments portfolio remained well above our long term expectations, That declined to $32,400,000 in the Q1 compared to $39,400,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 500:27:24Our current run rate expectation for quarterly income from alternatives is in the low $20,000,000 range. So our current results show continued strong The Closed Block segment continues to be the primary beneficiary of the favorable performance in our alternatives portfolio. For full year 2022, we expect total miscellaneous income to run below the very strong results generated in 2021. So then moving now to capital. The financial position of the company continues to be in excellent shape, providing a significant financial flexibility. Speaker 500:27:59The weighted average risk based capital ratio for our traditional U. S. Insurance companies improved to approximately 400% And holding company liquidity was $1,300,000,000 at the end of the Q1, both well above our targeted levels. In addition, leverage has again trended lower and ended the quarter at 25.1%. Statutory after tax Operating income was $200,500,000 for the Q1, which is a sharp improvement from the Q1 of 2021, Which was $136,700,000 Similar to our strong GAAP performance, statutory results benefited from improved results in Group Life, Group Disability, Colonial Life and LTC. Speaker 500:28:41So then looking at capital deployment in the Q1, we executed a $1,000,000 accelerated share agreement and continue to anticipate repurchasing approximately $200,000,000 of our shares for the full year. Capital contributions in the Fairwind subsidiary were $215,000,000 in the quarter. With favorable performance in the LTC block And the rise in interest rates this quarter, we are trending favorably within the range of full year capital contributions to Fairwind $550,000,000 to $650,000,000 that we guided to at our Investor Meeting. So then wrapping up with a comment on our outlook for the year, We initially set our expectation for growth in after tax adjusted operating income per share in a range of 4% to 7% For 2022, we are raising our outlook to an expectation for growth in the range of 15% to 20%. This improvement reflects our strong performance in the Q1 and our expectation for additional upside to our original outlook for the balance of the year, which will be really focused in the Q2 of 2022. Speaker 500:29:45Recall that at our Investor Meeting in February, we also provided an outlook for after tax adjusted operating income per share To increase within a range of 45% to 55% by 2024 or 2021 earnings per share $4.35 per share. We are not, at this time, changing that outlook. Now I'll turn the call back to Rick for his closing comments, and I look forward to your questions. Speaker 300:30:11Great. Thanks, Steve. I'll just wrap up by reiterating we're very pleased with the performance of the company as we continue to deliver for our customers throughout the pandemic. We believe we are very well positioned in today's business environment and remain very encouraged with our outlook going forward. Operator00:30:33Thank you. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally and we ask you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Our first question today comes from Erik Bass from Autonomous Research. Your line is open. Speaker 400:30:58Hi, thank you. So since the time of your outlook call, interest rates are up significantly. And based on your disclosure, this should materially reduce the outstanding long term care PDR balance. So does this change your thinking at all about the cadence at which you plan to fund the remaining deficiency? And would you consider hedging interest rates to lock in either some or all of the benefit? Speaker 500:31:20Eric, this is Steve. I can take that one. I think there's a couple of things to think about. I go back to the Investor Day conversation that we had about the premium I think there's 2 things to keep in mind. One is just how the interest rate assumption works for the premium deficiency reserve. Speaker 500:31:36It's based on a trailing 3 year average. And so although we're really encouraged with where our rates have gone early in this year, we do still have a little bit of Past interest rates that we need to work through in just the construct of that calculation as we saw the 2020 prevailing rates in there. So that's one dimension of it. The other is we do amortize that in over a period of time. Originally, it was a 7 period of time. Speaker 500:32:04And so that amortization will decrease a little bit the current period impact of any reduction in the overall PDR. So As we sit here today, we're very encouraged about where rates go. We obviously want those to continue and even potentially go up. I'll say that the contribution or the impact on our 2022 capital deployment plan will be somewhat modest Because of those two dimensions. And so we'll just see how this plays out over the year, where we end up at our year end calculation. Speaker 500:32:35We'll calibrate our fairwind contributions at that point and then we'll think about go forward capital deployment opportunities. On the hedging front that's definitely something that we look at. We're continuing to evaluate our hedging strategy. I do agree with you that where rates are now, it makes that look more attractive. We have not executed on anything to date this year, but it is something that we are looking at. Speaker 400:33:00Great. Thank you. And then if you could just provide maybe a little bit more detail on what assumptions are embedded in your EPS guidance range for both additional COVID deaths and variable investment income over the course of the year? Speaker 500:33:13Yes. Let me start with the variable Alternative investment income. Probably where I would start there is we have a little bit over $1,000,000,000 portfolio and our expected yield on that is 8% 10%. So you kind of do the math on that. That's $80,000,000 to $100,000,000 annually of income, which breaks down about $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 per quarter. Speaker 500:33:34That is what we would expect for the remainder of the year, so somewhere in that range, in the low $20,000,000 range. But as we've seen, that can be fairly volatile. So we'll just Have to see how that plays out quarter by quarter. And then when you just think about the general pattern for 2022, We've obviously locked in the Q1 results that we've seen. We believe that second quarter is going to be an improvement So probably the simple math to do for the remaining 3 quarters is somewhere in the $125 per quarter range. Speaker 500:34:09I think that's pretty consistent with what our expectations previously were for the 3rd Q4, but would be an increase to what we had originally thought the second Quarter might be. So that's probably a pretty good range to calibrate to. Speaker 400:34:24Great. Thank you. Speaker 500:34:26Thanks, Eric. Speaker 600:34:27Thanks, Eric. Operator00:34:29Our next question comes from Alex Scott from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:34:35Hi, good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on the response on the hedging consideration. And I know you mentioned the backward looking sort of rolling aspect of the way the rates work in the actual premium deficiency calculation. I mean, Is that an issue or hurdle with potentially putting on a hedge or do you think the powers that be Might be receptive to the idea that this would be a pretty significant risk management action that I think would be very beneficial. Would they Work with you to maybe change that practice to help you align something with the economics and allow us Significantly change our view of the cost of equity of your company? Speaker 500:35:28Yes. I would say it's not a hurdle. It's obviously something that we'll work through with our regulator. I do agree with you that they will view that as a very positive From a risk management perspective and I think they'll be very willing to work with us and incorporate that sort of risk management into how we think about forward looking interest rates. That is part of those we're going through in evaluating how we might approach a hedging strategy that we will work through with our regulator. Speaker 200:35:55Yes, I think it's Speaker 300:35:56important to look at the premium deficiency reserve. This is about how we manage Book of business, right? So the construct of how it gets measured is not something we hedge. We're looking at hedging and the risk management for the overall book of business. The construct will take care of itself over a period of time. Speaker 300:36:12So any hedges that we look at are about an overall risk management of interest rate risk around our long term care business. Speaker 700:36:19Got it. And then maybe just high level, as we think through some of the Group Benefits businesses, Any update on thinking and just in terms of premiums and you've got some tailwinds between the labor market inflation, So the rate you're taking, any update now that we've gotten through the Q1 on just What the combined impact of those things will look like as we progress through the year? Speaker 400:36:49Yes, Alex, it's Mike. Thanks for the question. And we are really pleased With the start that we've gotten off to here in the Q1, sales up for Udom U. S, as Rick was highlighting, by 7%, Colonial, 15% international, and maybe I'll flip it to Mark in just a second to talk about the market over there where we've seen the market Grow and our position in that market improve, which is a good story overall. So as we continue to see Sales improved and come up in relation to the block, paired with strong persistency. Speaker 400:37:22And as you said, some tailwind on natural growth, we would expect to see Our overall top line earned premium growth continue to move up sequentially as we work through 2022. We talked a little bit about it last quarter and at the outlook meeting. We do see a need to Gradually increase rates as we talked about, probably most pronounced in the fee based businesses. Those are where we've seen that Increasing complexity in serving our clients with state, municipal, corporate and federal level We've integrated with disability. That's also, given the nature of a fee based business where wage pressures are most acute, so we want to stay a little bit ahead of that. Speaker 400:38:06Placement of rates for that all important January 1 date, we're right in line with expectations. We're in the midst of another, again, sort of Moderate single digit type program on the insurance side, a little bit higher on the fee based side for oneone of 2023 and it's too early to say, but At this point, feeling like the client relationships we've got and the strength of our distributions And allow us to deliver that renewal program pretty successfully. So as I look across the brands, the products and the segments in the U. S, We've certainly got a long way to go here in 2022, but encouraged by the start that we've got on the U. S. Speaker 400:38:49Side. Maybe, Mark, you've got a couple Speaker 300:38:50of thoughts on International? Speaker 800:38:53Yes, Mike. Thanks. I mean, I think Poland and UK are both good markets. Poland has been A double digit growth market for some little while. Actually, the U. Speaker 800:39:02K. Market has definitely been improving. I think it's Reflecting increased demand for employee benefits after the value through the pandemic has been proven quite clearly. I think we have been working hard to improve our value proposition for the brokers, for the employers and for the employees. And we are therefore very pleased with the sales results, which are up 47% across the two businesses. Speaker 800:39:28We have also been actively seeking selective price management opportunities at renewal, And it is therefore pleasing to see that with even with those price management opportunities, we've seen an improving persistency rate in the UK and we've remained at About 98% in Poland. I think if I look at the quarter on quarter growth we saw in the UK, it was high reflecting a good quarter. And although I hope that we continue to have good quarters, at the moment we are fundamentally resetting our expectations here. Speaker 700:40:03Thanks for the responses. Speaker 300:40:05Thanks Alex. Operator00:40:08Our next question comes from Tracy Bendigui from Barclays. Your line is open. Speaker 900:40:14Good morning. Thank you for referring to the PER balances at your February outlook date, Slide 23. Just based on my understanding, I think you shared the 10 year treasury illustration for simplicity. But really since LTC risk It's so long derated. You're also using your formula, the 20 30 year treasury tenure. Speaker 900:40:37And you footnoted an Assumption of a 50 basis point spread between the 10 and the 20thirty. So with the yield curve flattening, Stephen and Bertie, any thoughts on the sensitivity of those 20, 30 year tenure? Speaker 500:40:53Yes, Tracy, this is Steve. And sorry, I stole your thunder. I caught that in your write up addressing the dynamics of how the PDR works. And I think that's a really good call out. Yes. Speaker 500:41:04We are heavily weighted, to the 2030 year in that portfolio. So you're right. We use the 10 year as a guideline, But it is very important where the 30 year ends up. So I think that's a good comparison to make to where we are kind of in the current market. Other thing that I would say is we do have allocation to an alternative asset class of investments that also backs LTC. Speaker 500:41:27But I think a good indicator is where the 2,030 is. And although obviously the 10.30 spread isn't at the 50 basis points, I would say we feel good about where the 30 actually is on an absolute basis. Speaker 900:41:41Right. Because in a way it It comes a new point if you just land there on its own, even if the shape of that curve might not look as steep as what you would have liked. Okay. Speaker 200:41:51And Speaker 900:41:54on right. And on your updated 2022 outlook guidance, To be sure, you're simply accelerating the timeframe. You're seeing normalization of pre pandemic trends based on the Q1 results and what you're So far in the Q2, I mean you basically say yourself you're going to still land at that 45% to 55% EPS growth from 21% to 24%. Just the shape to get there might look more level versus what you were thinking back in February. It might have been a steeper increase in 2023. Speaker 900:42:26So I just want to make sure I'm thinking about that the right way. Also, it doesn't sound like you updated in your 2022 outlook A contemplation of higher interest rates. So is it fair to say the higher interest rates is more of a capital consideration for Unum? It really will take a long Speaker 500:42:46Time to impact earnings. Yes, Theresa, this is Steve. A lot in there. So let me kind of address each individually. You are right on how we're thinking about the 20 2022 forecast. Speaker 500:42:56It is really just an acceleration. If you go back to our Investor Day, we had several contributions to The longer term EPS growth for the company and one of the largest was just recovery from the pandemic. So for that component, I would say yes. It's an acceleration back to kind of a normalized core benefit ratio in many of our lines. We also though had other contributors to that, Whether it's expense efficiencies, it's growth, it's renewal and rate increases or it's capital management that also factored in To that longer term 2024 expectation, those still hold. Speaker 500:43:33We still feel very good about those other contributing factors. So I think that's the right way to think about it. And then as far as rates go, you're right. I would say we have not really incorporated Much upside into our outlook right now for where rates are. I think there's 2 places that that could show up. Speaker 500:43:511 would be around Capital management and the implications for the premium deficiency reserve. As I mentioned earlier though, the 2022 impact probably is not going to be all that significant. It will set us up though as we move through subsequent years if rates stay where they are for maybe More oversized implications to our capital deployment plan. The other thing that I would say is just on closed block, Because we do put so much money to work within the year, that could be potential upside to the Closed Block earnings. But again, we just want to see how that plays out over the year. Speaker 500:44:27I would say in a lot of our other lines, any upside to interest rates would be something that we would just probably incorporate in our thinking about pricing And really how that might play out versus actual upside to earnings. Speaker 900:44:42Got it. Thank you. Speaker 500:44:44Thanks, Tracy. Operator00:44:47Our next question comes from Tom Gallagher from Evercore. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:44:54Good morning. Just a few questions on long term care. If you do end up Locking in some interest rate hedges, would you see that having a material influence on the pricing that you might get On a potential risk transfer deal, and is that part of the reason that you'd be contemplating it? Speaker 500:45:20Yes. I would say that there is some potential there. It would depend on the buyer and how the buyer views their own investment strategy This is our investment strategy and that's something we just have to work through how we settled The initial transaction, I do think though, obviously, higher interest rates are favorable to a deal overall. And that's obviously something that we're looking at, but it would kind of depend on the buyer and how they would view that as a risk management versus just their own investment strategy. Speaker 1000:45:55And I guess my follow-up is when you think about and I realize You've indicated that a potential deal would take a while just given how much actuarial work and the like is required. But Given what's happened in interest rates, any sense of bid ask spread, whether you think the pricing would have improved meaningfully Given how much higher interest rates are today, and if so, if it has narrowed, I would imagine then putting on more Putting on rate hedges would make sense or would you feel like you'd still need rates to go higher to see it continue narrowing where It would become attractive from a pricing standpoint. Speaker 500:46:39Yes, Tom, I would say we have a lot of work still to do On any type of transaction, there's really nothing imminent. Again, rising rates are going to be a positive from a buyer's perspective, what they're able to get in the market, But that's something that we have to just work through the actual construct of a transaction to just see how meaningfully that would impact the buyers view of the block. Speaker 1000:47:04Got you. And then just one final question. When you if you were to strip out the favorable Mortality experience from the LPC benefit ratio, where would you say you're trending right now? It sounds like there's still Favorable claims trends, but is it very close to normal? Is it still somewhat favorable relative to historic averages? Speaker 1000:47:30And then I guess relatedly, if we get through a favorable 2022, it's going to be 3 years of favorable LTC results and the related question is, any sense that the regulators are changing the way they're Thinking about approving rate increases following 3 years of potential favorability here? Speaker 500:47:53Yes. I would say In the quarter, we, as we mentioned, had higher employment mortality. We also had pretty favorable claims incidents. We do still think that during a kind of pandemic, even if it's light pandemic for the remainder of the year, Somewhere in that 80% below 80% loss ratio probably makes sense. But over time, when we get back to a more, I guess stable COVID environment and it even abates more. Speaker 500:48:25We do think we'll be back up in that 85% to 90% Range, but we'll just have to see how it plays out and whether there's any longer term behavioral changes within the block. Now when it comes to how we think about long term And also how our regulator thinks about long term assumptions. COVID is viewed as an anomaly. And so far, We really haven't had much debate on either side whether we should take a more favorable view when we look at things like the premium deficiency reserve itself Or on the other side, how regulators might view our rate increase requests. We haven't really incorporated Some of the more acute claim mortality that we've seen into either of those analyses and I think the regulators are very supportive of that approach. Speaker 1000:49:13Okay, great. Thanks. Speaker 500:49:16Thanks, Tom. Operator00:49:18Our next question comes from Ryan Krueger from KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:49:24Hey, good morning. Can you touch on the level of new money rates That you're getting at this point and how that compares to your portfolio yield? Speaker 500:49:36Yes. Ryan, we haven't really disclosed a lot around What our new money rate is on a quarter to quarter basis and try to stay away from that. I'll tell you we are really encouraged if you just look at where prevailing rates are. They've gone up about 140 basis points from the beginning of the year. So clearly, we're closing the gap between new money yields and our Portfolio rate, but they are still below the portfolio rate. Speaker 500:50:02And so feel good about it, very encouraged about it, But we don't disclose that on a quarter to quarter basis. Speaker 200:50:13Got it. And then In the outlook call, you talked about some pressure on premium growth in the large employer market. I saw that your sales were actually pretty good there This quarter, I was just hoping for an update there and if the pressure on premium was more related to some potential Persistence impacts or if you had also expected lower sales than you kind of achieved in the Q1 there? Speaker 400:50:38Yes, Ryan, it's Mike. Like you said, encouraging Q1, I would say, a lot, in fact, Nearly all of the growth in the Q1 was sales with existing clients, and it's not typically our biggest sales quarter in the year in that large case Okay. So we're right now in the middle of that large case selling season and that will go for the next 90 days Or so what we were talking about at the outlook meeting was that's the part of the group insurance market in the U. S. That we are Seeing as most competitive and as we kind of lead into those rate increases we were talking about earlier, particularly around fee based In short term disability businesses, we had a bit more of a cautious outlook there and We'll see how the year plays out. Speaker 400:51:29I do feel good about the fact that both disability risk and interest rates Have been better here in the Q1 than our expectations. That may give us a little bit more flexibility there. But As you come to expect from us, we're going to be pretty long term in terms of our outlook around pricing growth Trade offs. So to be looking forward to updating you in the quarters to come on how this year is materializing, but Feel very, very good about the value proposition we've got in the market, our ability to connect into our clients' HR platforms, what we've been able to do on the lead front. So, see how Speaker 600:52:11it plays out. Speaker 200:52:14All right. Thank you. Speaker 600:52:16Thanks Ryan. Operator00:52:18Our next question comes from Sandeep Kamath from Jefferies. Your line is open. Speaker 1100:52:24Great. Thank you. Just overall at a high level on group sales, I mean we're seeing strength pretty much across the board for all the companies that And my sense is that it's not a lot of competition that a lot of it is Sales to existing customers. And so the thought is that most of the players are behaving and acting rationally. Just want to make sure that that's consistent with what you guys are seeing in terms of the competitive environment? Speaker 400:52:53Yes, Suneet, it's Mike. I think that is Probably pretty consistent. That large case end of the market is where we see it most acutely competitive. I think your read actually is right. We've seen pretty much across the board other carriers looking to retain They're client first and foremost. Speaker 400:53:14And so that's certainly our lean and orientation as well. The degree of rate underwriting competitive that's going to oscillate a bit year to year. I'd say we're in a period right now, which is sort of solidly average in Speaker 1100:53:33Okay, got it. And then the other thing that struck me was Colonial. Unfortunately, Tom's not there to brag about Order, but the persistency improved and I note that one of your large competitors is seeing the opposite impact where The more mobile job market is leading to lower persistency. So just curious if that dynamic is affecting you guys as well and it's just being That by something or where the improvement is coming from? Speaker 400:54:00Yes. Really pleased to see persistency. That is our primary focus is making sure we're doing a good job for clients. And so it's at a great spot That's 79% and that's a really solid foundation for premium growth. And then you layer in the 15% growth And new sales, as that sales level continues to move up sequentially and gets to the right spot relative to the in force block, The overall earned premium will start to click in, and it's good to be back in the black from that point of view. Speaker 400:54:35Pretty broad based Success for Colonial Life in the new business markets, in the direct small end of the market, really good growth, Great growth with existing clients, good growth in the public sector. So all the places that we're trying to hit with our Colonial Life Speaker 300:54:59Tim is pretty happy about it as well. Speaker 1100:55:03Yes, I would imagine. Thanks. Operator00:55:07Our next question comes from Jimmy Bhullar from JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 1200:55:13Hi, good morning. So most of my questions were answered, But I just wanted to see if you could discuss a little bit more detail on what's going on what's been going on in the Long Term Care segment in terms of strong results over the last few quarters. And maybe if you could be a little bit more specific on this quarter in terms of how much The benefit you saw from lower incidence and then on mortality versus what you would have seen maybe pre pandemic. And I'm assuming obviously mortality will trend whatever happens with COVID, but do you think incidence patterns might have changed given the pandemic and maybe people's reluctance to So that nursing homes or other factors? Speaker 500:55:55Benjamin, this is Steve. Yes, I'll just kind of go back and just lay out the trends that we've seen Through the pandemic and long term care and then just how that might project forward a little bit. As you recall very early on 2020 Q2, where everything hit more acutely. We saw claimant mortality Up to like 30% by count above what our seasonal expectations are. And as I mentioned about our Group life experience, it's early on the pandemic, very focused on the elderly population and therefore very focused Those people that we insure would have been long term care. Speaker 500:56:34You saw that kind of come down in the 50%, 15%, 10% range down to 5% and then really Through the Delta variant kind of in the fall, you saw our claimant mortality almost get back to our expectations on a seasonally adjusted basis. What we have seen in the Q1 is that tick back up, where by count, women mortality is about 10% above what our expectations would have been. On an incident front, we saw very low incidents early on in the pandemic, the Q1 for sure, maybe the 1st couple of quarters. We saw that moderate fairly quickly where people that were eligible for claim did Move forward and request claim and be put on claim. And you saw that pretty consistently through the pandemic. Speaker 500:57:20And I would say on a run rate basis, we believe that will be pretty consistent with pre pandemic activity. I think the Q1 is just a bit of anomaly where we saw just some very, Very good performance. But as you know, this block can be pretty volatile. So I'm not anticipating that to continue. I would say for the Q1, we were probably about 10 percentage points better on the loss ratio Then maybe what we would have expected. Speaker 500:57:47And again, I would say that is driven by both, just normal volatility, Claims incidence as well as the higher claim of mortality that we're attributing to COVID. So again, I think going forward, Probably for the remainder of the year, the 80% feels about right. Beyond that, we would expect to get back to kind of a more normalized expected loss ratio. Speaker 1200:58:11Okay. And then if I think about your guidance, obviously, there's a lot of uncertainty and lots of moving parts. But Given the results in the Q1, it would seem like you're going to hit the top end of the guidance even without any changes in Expectations that the Street had in terms of future earnings. So it seems like the guidance is overly conservative, but do you agree With that or are there other things that might be headwinds like in future quarters that people might not be seeing? Speaker 300:58:44Yes, Jimmy, it's Rick. I would just say when you look at our Q1 performance, very happy with that. And then we look at over the course of the year, we increased Our outlook, just given what we're seeing in the Q1, we expect Q2 to be a little bit better and normalize over the second half of the year. If you go back to our outlook at the second half of the year, we were expecting that to be pretty consistent with what we thought going into the year. So we put out a To give you our kind of best view, it's going to be volatile. Speaker 400:59:13We'll have to see how it Speaker 300:59:13plays out, but we still think that's a pretty good range. Speaker 1200:59:18Okay. Thank you. Operator00:59:23Our next question comes from Mark Hughes from Truist. Your line is open. Speaker 1300:59:28Yes. Thank you. Good morning. On the top line at Unum U. S, you've got a lot of tailwinds. Speaker 1300:59:35It seems like the natural growth, Pricing, good sales, you talked about 2% growth for the full year. As you Exit the year and get into 2023, any sense you can give us of what the top line might shape up to be With these kind of tailwinds? Speaker 400:59:58Yes, Mark, it's Mike. I guess I'd answer it in 2 ways. One is Pre pandemic for those businesses, you really like that sort of 4% to 6% or 7% growth, and I don't see any reason To expect that we can't get back to that, the exact timing for when the current 2% run rate comes all the way back up into that range, I can't tell you with a great deal of certainty, but a lot of like you said, a lot of reasons Optimism, really strong persistency, effectively placing rate increases, seeing new sales growth, another good John's report this morning all kind of pointing towards continued building momentum On the top line over the coming quarters. Speaker 601:00:50Thank you. Yes. Operator01:00:56Our next question comes from Josh Schrier from Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 1401:01:02Yes. Thank you for fitting me in. I wanted to talk about you have a lot of protections against inflation in the long term fair book With caps and caps on the CAGR of the benefit, can you talk about the percentage Of claimants who are maximizing the JV benefit and has that changed from where it was at the beginning of the pandemic? Speaker 501:01:23Yes, this is Steve. Probably the best way to answer that just to kind of ground back on the What our block of business looks like from the standpoint of indemnity versus reimbursement, Our block is about 98% indemnity. And so and just as a refresher on that, So if someone is claim eligible and receive services on a daily basis, it's a contractual benefit that's hardwired into the contract That we pay them. So very small, 2% of our block is reimbursement where we're actually reimbursing for actual So I'd say that variable is really just de minimis on our block and is not something that we really need to worry about inflation Within the services provided themselves because the benefit amount inflates at whatever the contractual rate is. And that does not vary. Speaker 501:02:21That said additionally. Speaker 1401:02:23Okay. Yes. And then, how is face to face interactions in Colonial Life comparing With where you were in February of 2020. Speaker 301:02:36Sorry, can you just repeat? It's face to face. Yes, good. Speaker 1401:02:40Yes. I mean, I think Speaker 401:02:41yes, I got it. I appreciate it. So, and it varies a bit as the pandemic It's Ted. But in general, I'd say it's a really good balance point where it is the continued both At the employer level and delivery of enrollment services on a face to face business increasingly augmented by the digital capabilities that we've invested In the Colonial Life brand, I think of that as everything from being able to 100% digitally enroll through Chat through video, just really meeting the consumer where their preferences are from an education and communication Point of view, we're actually really encouraged about the acceleration towards digital that occurred through the pandemic in terms of the ability for us to Increased agent productivity. We saw really strong delivery on a productivity basis out of our new agents. Speaker 401:03:39Also our reach into the market and getting to places that geographically otherwise might be quite challenging for us. Speaker 1401:03:51Thank you very much. Speaker 601:03:53Thanks, Joe. Okay. Thanks, Joe. Operator01:03:55Our final question comes from Josh Jaroslav from Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Speaker 601:04:02Good morning. Thanks for taking the time. I just wanted to follow-up on the PDR funding question from a few minutes ago and make sure my head is in the right place. And I'm cognizant of the look back period that plays in the PDR funding, but hypothetically, if rates were to stay the same or at least they don't decline over the next year or 2, And that you do ultimately make that $550,000,000 to $650,000,000 contribution of Fairwind that you previously guided to, Then at the end of the day, does that mean there's somewhere less than roughly $500,000,000 in total PDR funding that you would need to do by the end of 2026 or 2024 whatever cadence or timeline you choose? Yes. Speaker 501:04:41This is Steve. I'll take that. The math becomes a little complicated And we need to make sure we're talking about apples to apples. So when you think about the PDR itself, and the sensitivities that we've given, that's on a Before tax basis. So when you look at capital contributions, those are going to be more driven by an after tax recognition of the PDR. Speaker 501:05:05The other thing to think about there is we do also have ongoing funding requirements outside of the PDR For Fairwind, if you go back and you look historically, that was about $150,000,000 a year, give or take, in any 1 year. Those will continue at Some level over time regardless of the timing of recognizing the PDR. So I would just step back and say, we still feel very good about the 5.50 to 6.50 for this year. As I mentioned, rates aren't really going to impact all that much the requirement for this year. But if rates do continue at the level they are specifically the 20 and the 30 year, you can kind of see on the sensitivities that we provided What ultimately as we work through the next 2, 3, 4 years ultimately that PDR could be under those scenarios and obviously that would impact How we think about capital deployment and the speed at which we can recognize the entire PDR. Speaker 501:06:03But it's still a little too early to call that, We're very, very encouraged by where rates have gone over the last 60, 90, 120 days. Speaker 601:06:14Understood. Appreciate the color. Thank you very much. Speaker 501:06:18Thanks, Chuck. Thank you. Operator01:06:20We have no further questions. I'll now hand back to Rick McKenney for closing remarks. Speaker 301:06:25Great. I want to thank everybody for taking the time to join us this morning. This will complete our call for Q1 2022. 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There are 15 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome to Unum Group First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Elliot, and I'll be coordinating your call today. I would now like to hand over to our host, Tom White, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:22Great. Thank you, Elliot. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Q1 20 22 Earnings Conference Call for Unum. Our remarks today will include forward looking statements, which are statements that are not of current or historical fact. As a result, actual results might differ materially from results suggested by these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:00:42Information concerning factors that could cause results To differ appears in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and are also located in the sections titled Cautionary Statement Regarding Forward Looking Statements And risk factors in our annual report on Form 10 ks for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2021. Our SEC filings can be found in the Investors section of our website at unum.com. I remind you that the statements in today's call Speak only as of the date they are made, and we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. A presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations of any non GAAP financial measures included in today's presentation Can be found in our statistical supplement on our website also in the Investors section. Yesterday afternoon, Unum reported Q1 2022 Net income of $253,500,000 or $1.25 per diluted common share, An increase from the $153,000,000 or $0.75 per diluted common share in the Q1 of 2021. Speaker 100:01:54Net income for the Q1 of 2022 included the after tax amortization of the cost of reinsurance of $13,200,000 or $0.06 per diluted common share and an after tax investment loss on the company's investment portfolio of $10,600,000 or $0.05 per diluted common share. Net income in the Q1 of 2021 included The net after tax loss from the 2nd phase of the Closed Block individual disability reinsurance transaction of $56,700,000 or $0.27 per diluted common share. Also, the after tax amortization of the cost of reinsurance Excluding the net realized investment gain associated with the reinsurance transaction of $13,500,000 or $0.06 for diluted common share. So excluding these items, after tax adjusted operating income in the Q1 of 2022 was $277,300,000 or $1.36 per diluted common share, an increase from the $212,000,000 or $1.04 per diluted common share in the year ago quarter. Participating in this morning's conference call are Unum's President and CEO, Rick McKinney Chief Financial Officer, Steve Zabel Chief Operating Officer, Mike Simons As well as Mark Till, who heads our Unum International Business. Speaker 100:03:37Tim Arnold, the Head of our Colonial Life and Voluntary Benefits Business, He's away with his family attending his son's graduation from law school this morning, which is a very exciting and proud moment for the Arnold family. So now I'll call turn the call over to Rick for his opening comments. Speaker 200:03:53Great. Thank you, Tom, Speaker 300:03:53and good morning, everyone. We do appreciate you joining us this morning. And let me start Our first quarter results were an outstanding start to the year. We saw dramatic shifts in the environment throughout the quarter, which have been very favorable to our business. Since we've last talked to you, we have seen COVID mortality levels come down consistently. Speaker 300:04:12Of the estimated 153,000 COVID deaths in the U. S. Population in the Q1 fewer than 30,000 were reported in March. And there was also a notable in the demographic impacts by the omicron variant relative to what we saw last year. Additionally, we have seen positive impacts from the current inflationary environment, Seeing the 10 year treasury move up nearly 140 basis points since the start of the year. Speaker 300:04:38These are welcome developments and helped our recovery accelerate faster As a result, we saw 1st quarter after tax operating earnings at $1.36 per share, which was up 31% over the previous year. There was broad based solid performance on both the top and bottom line. And taking that into account, we now look to an expected operating EPS growth rate for the year of 15% to 20%, up from the 4% to 7% previously expected. To set the broader context of how we stand in the current environment, the three elements most being discussed in the financial markets are all on a positive trend for us. First is how COVID has lessened and shifted its age demographic. Speaker 300:05:22It is not making the same headlines, but COVID driven mortality is still one we need to monitor as our lifelines look to get back to pre COVID claim levels. The second is the full employment and inflationary environment we're operating in. For employers, there is pressure to increase wages as they look to find workers in a very unique time. This creates top line growth for us as these workers look to protect their higher levels of income. And third, our interest rates, which play very positively for our new investments backing our product lines, both in our ongoing core business lines and new cash flows coming into our closed block. Speaker 300:05:59Before getting further into the results, I do want to take a moment to reflect on how our purpose of helping the working world thrive throughout life's moments continues to guide all that we do. As the effects of COVID continue to lessen, our employees have stepped up in new ways. And I would like to highlight our colleagues in Poland who have shown uncommon resilience as they continue to demonstrate compassion, outreach and support to the growing Ukrainian refugee crisis. The situation remains heartbreaking, but we take the utmost pride in our team's caring spirit in this time of need. So turning to our operating trends for the quarter, there Speaker 400:06:33are a few areas Speaker 300:06:34I'd like to highlight. First, we're pleased with the growth in premium income that is emerging in our core business segments. In the Q1, we recorded 1.7% growth year over year in premium income from our core business segments combined. This compares to a growth of 1.2% for all of 2021. For the rest of 2022, we are anticipating growth to accelerate So that we are at just over 2% for the full year, and we are well on track to accomplish that. Speaker 300:07:04Adding to our confidence is a solid start to the year for new sales, with year over year increases of 7% in Unum U. S. In total And 15% for Colonial Life as well as 55% for Unum UK and 35% for Unum Poland in their local currencies. Persistency levels were solid across the company and we are making good progress with our renewal plans as we look to continue to prudently implement targeted rate increases. 2nd, benefits experience was generally positive as we look at our benefit ratios for the Q1 compared to the Q4 of 2021. Speaker 300:07:39The Unum US Group Disability line showed substantial improvement at 73.8% for the Q1 as our claim recoveries in long term disability were very strong And short term disability results improved sequentially. The Unum US Group Life and AD and D line showed significant improvement as well, declining approximately 10 points from the prior quarter as the age demographic shifted, lessening the mortality impact for working age individuals. And also related to that age With COVID related mortality impacting the elderly population more significantly this quarter, we saw the LTC interest adjusted loss ratio decline by 12 points to 70% in the Q1. And finally, I'd highlight the improved benefits experience in Colonial Life, which generated its lowest benefit ratio in some time at 49% in the Q1. The 3rd operating trend I'd highlight is from the Q1 was on expenses. Speaker 300:08:33At our outlook meeting earlier this year, we indicated that we expected to see increased pressure on expenses this year as we managed through increased people costs, Pandemic related costs and a normalizing environment. We still see this emerging later in the year. The reality is our teams have done an Excellent job of managing through these pressures so far in 2022 as we have been working hard to fill open positions. Each of our core business segments reported an improved operating expense ratio in the Q1 compared to the 4th. We don't believe that these pressures have gone away as we will continue to invest in several major initiatives to connect with customers, To improve our efficiencies and to catch up on staffing, but I am pleased with the discipline we have shown in managing expenses in this inflationary environment. Speaker 300:09:19In addition to these strong operating trends, the current business environment remains very favorable for us. Rising interest rates and winding Credit spreads so far this year have been very beneficial in new money yields. In addition, it is particularly beneficial to the LTC line. To the extent rates remain at current levels, it would strengthen our ability to fully fund the premium deficiency reserve for long term care ahead of the original schedule. Rising wages and strong levels of employment across the economy also provide a tailwind for us to top line growth as the natural growth created by these forces So quite favorable, increasing by over $60,000,000 on a year over year basis to $200,000,000 for the Q1 of 2022. Speaker 300:10:10This helped drive the risk based capital ratio for our traditional U. S.-based insurance companies to approximately 400%. With holding company liquidity at approximately $1,300,000,000 leverage at 25%, which is the lowest level we've seen since 2014, And with our contingent capital structure in place, we are in great shape with our capital position to execute the deployment priorities we outlined at our recent investor meeting, Including the ability to fund the LTC premium deficiency reserve by the end of 2024, repurchasing $200,000,000 of our shares annually as well as increasing shareholder dividends, which we will discuss when our Board meets later this month for our annual shareholders meeting. In summary, I'm very pleased with our performance in the Q1 and the optimism it creates as we move forward. Now I'll ask Steve to cover the details of the Q1 results. Speaker 300:11:00Steve? Speaker 500:11:01Great. Thank you, Rick, and good morning, everyone. As Rick outlined for you, the Q1 was a very strong quarter for the company as we benefited from both a favorable shift And the COVID related trends this quarter and strong operating performance in many parts of our business. As I cover our Q1 results, I will primarily focus on a Discussion of our Q1 results relative to the Q4 of 2021, which will allow us to demonstrate how the company's business lines have been progressing through the pandemic. To start and provide some broader context on the quarter, there were 2 significant shifts in the COVID trends this quarter that had important impacts on our Q1 results. Speaker 500:11:41First, COVID related mortality increased in the U. S. In the Q1 of 2022 Compared to the Q4 of 2021, it was also higher than our estimate coming into the year. Additionally, the shift in the age demographics of the mortality Back to a greater relative impact on the elderly population and less than the working age population had important implications on our business. If you recall for most of 2020 and the early months of 2021, COVID related mortality impacted the elderly population more so In the second half of twenty twenty one, the age demographic shifted and COVID related mortality showed an increased level of impact amongst the working age population and less so among the elderly population. Speaker 500:12:27In the Q1 of 2022, the age demographic shifted back And was more consistent with what the U. S. Experienced in 2020, that is less impact among the working age population and more in the elderly population. This shift is significant to our business as it drove lower mortality experience in our group life block, which primarily covers working aged individuals. This is evident both in terms of the percentage of the national COVID related mortality that we see in our book and the average benefit size. Speaker 500:12:58In addition, the higher mortality among the elderly population resulted in higher mortality in the claimant block for our long term care business, which drove a lower interest adjusted loss ratio in the Q1 of 2022. The second trend we saw was a rapid decline in COVID infection rates And hospitalization rates through the Q1. This had a favorable impact on our short term disability results, which helped drive the improvement we saw in our Unum US I'll dig into these two trends more deeply as I discuss the performance of these lines, But the age demographics of our mortality and the decline in infection rates were important factors in our Q1 results. I'll begin my review of our operating performance with the Unum U. S. Speaker 500:13:43Segment. Adjusted operating income showed a sharp increase To $171,600,000 in the Q1 of 2022 compared to $81,400,000 in the Q4 of 2021, Primarily driven by strong sequential quarter improvement in the group disability and group life and AD and D lines As well as continued high levels of operating income from the supplemental and voluntary lines. So within the Unum U. S. Segment, the group disability line A strong rebound in adjusted operating income to $62,600,000 in the Q1 from $34,100,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 500:14:22The biggest driver of the earnings improvement was the benefit ratio for group disability, which improved in the Q1 to 73.8% compared to 78.3 percent for the Q4 of 2021. This improvement was driven in large part by strong performance in the long term disability line as claim recoveries were very favorable. Additionally, new claim incidents for LTD declined on a sequential quarter basis, So this was offset somewhat by higher average claim size. As I mentioned previously, results in the short term disability line also improved relative to the Q4. So looking forward, we expect the group disability benefit ratio to average in the mid-seventy percent area consistent with the range we provided at our outlook meeting. Speaker 500:15:10Adjusted operating income for Unum US Group Life and AD and D also showed strong improvement with an operating loss of $9,400,000 in the Q1 compared to a loss $71,700,000 in the 4th quarter. This quarter to quarter improvement was primarily the result of an improvement in the benefit ratio, mostly driven by the shift in the age demographics of the COVID related mortality, which I described earlier. In the Q4 of 2021, COVID related mortality In the U. S. Population was an estimated 127,000 with approximately 35% of those deaths among the working age population. Speaker 500:15:49In the Q1 of 2022, while the mortality count increased to approximately 153,000, The impact to the working age population declined to approximately 24%. For our group LifeLock, we estimate that COVID related mortality claims Declined from an estimated 1725 claims in the 4th quarter to an estimated 1400 claims in the 1st quarter. Accordingly, our results reflect a lessening in our exposure to the national mortality count to slightly less than 1% of the reported national figures In the Q1 compared to approximately 1.4% in the 4th quarter and 2% in the Q3 of last year. Looking back to 2020, we saw similar exposure to national mortality count of about 1% when the age demographics were generally similar. In addition, we also saw a lower average benefit size, which declined to slightly less than 55,000 In the Q1 compared to around 65,000 in the Q4 of last year. Speaker 500:16:53Finally, non COVID related mortality did not materially impact results in the Q1 relative to the experience of the Q4. Over the course of the pandemic, the count and age demographics COVID related mortality has heavily influenced our Group Life results. In our plans, we have assumed that national mortality related to COVID We'll decline significantly in the Q2 and remain at lower levels for the balance of 2022. For the Q2, we can see the group AD and D benefit ratio declined further to around 80%. However, these measures have historically been very difficult to predict, So we suggest that you follow the national trends as a basis for your projections and estimates. Speaker 500:17:38Now looking at the Unum U. S. Supplemental and voluntary lines, Earnings remained at very healthy levels with adjusted operating income of $118,400,000 in the first quarter Compared to $119,000,000 in the 4th quarter. Looking at the 3 primary business lines. First, we remain very Pleased with the performance of the individual disability recently issued block of business, which has generated strong results throughout the pandemic. Speaker 500:18:04The benefit ratio was slightly higher on a sequential quarter basis, but remained well within the experience we have seen over the past 2 years. Likewise, the voluntary benefits line reported a strong level of income as well, with the benefit ratio declining slightly on a sequential quarter basis, primarily reflecting strong performance across the ANH and disability products. Finally, utilization in the dental and vision line increased Relative to the Q4 and the average cost per procedure was also somewhat higher, leading to an increase in the benefit ratio for that line on a sequential quarter basis. All in all, though, the supplemental and voluntary lines continue to perform very well and remain a strong income generator for us. In looking at premium trends and drivers, we were pleased to see additional momentum building for Unum US with growth in premium income of 1.3% in the first On a year over year basis. Speaker 500:19:00For full year 2021, premium income for Unum U. S. Increased by 1% compared to 2020. Looking at the group disability line, growth in premium income is closely tracking our outlook, increasing 1.9% on a year over year basis With increasing levels of natural growth as we benefit from high employment levels and rising wages, solid sales And persistency trends and careful management of our renewal programs. Sales growth for Unum US was encouraging with growth of 6.8% year over year As growth in the group lines and individual disability offset softer sales in voluntary benefits. Speaker 500:19:38Overall, we are pleased with persistency trends this quarter which showed some variation by line of business, but our total group block was stable at 89.6% in the 1st quarter. Natural growth continues to develop as a tailwind for us, increasing 3.5% to 4% year over year as we continue to benefit from strong employment levels In the U. S. As well as higher wage levels, particularly in our core market segment. And finally, we have been encouraged by the progress we are seeing with our pricing strategy, Particularly in the large employer group disability, group life and services market where pricing action is appropriate. Speaker 500:20:15Then moving to the International segment, we had another very good quarter with adjusted operating income for the Q1 of $27,200,000 in line with the $27,100,000 reported in the 4th quarter. The primary driver of our International segment results is our Unum UK business, It generated adjusted operating income of £19,200,000 in the 1st quarter compared to £18,700,000 in the 4th quarter. The reported benefit ratio for EDAM UK was 80.7% in the Q1 compared to 81.4% in the 4th quarter. And as we have outlined in the past, Inflationary trends in the U. K. Speaker 500:20:53Will impact our reported benefit ratio and can map the underlying claims experience we are seeing. For the Q1 excluding the impact of inflation, our overall benefits experience was slightly unfavorable compared to the 4th quarter With favorable experience in group life offset by unfavorable experience in the group disability line. All in all, we are pleased to see the Unum UK results continue to improve towards the £20,000,000 per quarter goal. Similarly, benefits experienced in Unum Poland trended slightly higher on a sequential quarter basis, So adjusted operating income was generally consistent quarter to quarter. So the year over year premium growth in our International business segment was very strong this quarter, Increasing 7.7% on a year over year basis in dollars. Speaker 500:21:39On a local currency basis to neutralize the impact from changes in exchange rates, Unum UK generated growth of 11% year over year, the strongest rate of growth in Unum UK in several years, Driven by strong persistency, improving sales trends and the continued successful placement of rate increases on our in force block. Sales in Unum UK were very strong in the Q1, increasing 55% over the year ago quarter. Unum Poland generated sales growth of 35% in local currency, a continuation of the strong growth trend this business has been producing. Next, results for Colonial Life were also very strong with adjusted operating income of $90,100,000 in the 1st quarter Compared to $80,000,000 in the 4th quarter, one of the primary drivers of these results was an improvement in the benefit ratio in the 1st quarter 49.3% compared to 52.5% in the 4th quarter. This was largely driven by very favorable in the cancer and critical illness line as well as improved performance in the accident, sickness and disability line. Speaker 500:22:46We are pleased to see a continuation in the improving trend in premium growth for Colonial Life, which increased 1% on a year over year basis after declining 1.3% in full year 2021. Driving this improving trend in premium is the rebound we have seen in new sales over the past 4 quarters and generally stable persistency. For the Q1, sales for Colonial Life increased 15.3% compared to the year ago Q1 following an increase of 16.1% for the full year 2021. Persistency for Colonial Life was 78.7% for the Q1 Compared to 78.4 percent for the year ago quarter, it will take a couple of years to return to pre pandemic levels of premium growth in the Colonial Life segment, But we are encouraged that the level of absolute quarterly premium income has recovered for Colonial to pre pandemic levels. In the Closed Block segment, adjusted operating income excluding the amortization of cost of reinsurance related to the Closed Block individual disability Insurance transaction was $94,100,000 in the 1st quarter compared to $76,700,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 500:24:02The increase in the segment earnings was largely driven by higher earnings in the long term care line as a result of favorable benefits experience. The interest adjusted loss ratio for LTC declined to 70.2% in the 1st quarter from 82.2% in the 4th quarter, Primarily driven by a higher claimant mortality, which is approximately 10% higher than we expected on a seasonally adjusted basis by claim count And by favorable new claim incidents. For the Closed Block individual disability line, the interest adjusted loss ratio increased to 78.7% In the Q1 compared to 75.4% in the 4th quarter, but remain within our long term expectations. Salting levels of miscellaneous investment income continue to contribute to the strong adjusted operating income we have seen in the Closed Blocks segment Over the past several quarters in the past two quarters, however, we have seen some moderation in the contribution compared to the recent peak levels we were More specifically, total miscellaneous investment income in the Closed Block declined by approximately $4,000,000 in the 1st quarter compared to the Q4. As a reminder, we saw a reduction of approximately $10,000,000 in total miscellaneous investment income from the 3rd quarter to 4th quarter driven primarily by a lower level of bond calls. Speaker 500:25:27The current level of miscellaneous investment income remains well above what we expect to generate on an ongoing basis as the returns from our alternative investment portfolio continue to outperform our long term expectations. Wrapping up my commentary on the quarter's financial results, The adjusted operating loss in the corporate segment was $40,400,000 in the 1st quarter $45,100,000 in the 4th quarter. Going forward, we anticipate quarterly losses in this segment to be consistent with this quarter's results. Moving now to Net investment income, we are seeing a much better environment for new money yield opportunities given the rise in interest rates and widening in corporate bond spreads so far this year. In the Q1, our new money purchases exceeded our 4th quarter purchases by 110 basis points. Speaker 500:26:16While current new money yields remain below our portfolio yields, the gap has narrowed significantly so far in 2022. Miscellaneous investment income in the Q1 for the company overall totaled $41,000,000 and this compares to approximately $58,000,000 in the 4th quarter And was below what we saw in 2021. Miscellaneous investment income from bond calls declined by about $10,000,000 on a sequential quarter basis With most of the decline impacting net investment income in our core business lines, we expect income from bond calls to remain below the elevated levels we in 2020 2021 as higher interest rates reduces the economic incentive for many companies to refinance their outstanding debt. While this will likely have a negative impact on current net investment income, it will help support the current portfolio yields as we retain The higher yielding securities in the portfolio. Income from our alternative investments portfolio remained well above our long term expectations, That declined to $32,400,000 in the Q1 compared to $39,400,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 500:27:24Our current run rate expectation for quarterly income from alternatives is in the low $20,000,000 range. So our current results show continued strong The Closed Block segment continues to be the primary beneficiary of the favorable performance in our alternatives portfolio. For full year 2022, we expect total miscellaneous income to run below the very strong results generated in 2021. So then moving now to capital. The financial position of the company continues to be in excellent shape, providing a significant financial flexibility. Speaker 500:27:59The weighted average risk based capital ratio for our traditional U. S. Insurance companies improved to approximately 400% And holding company liquidity was $1,300,000,000 at the end of the Q1, both well above our targeted levels. In addition, leverage has again trended lower and ended the quarter at 25.1%. Statutory after tax Operating income was $200,500,000 for the Q1, which is a sharp improvement from the Q1 of 2021, Which was $136,700,000 Similar to our strong GAAP performance, statutory results benefited from improved results in Group Life, Group Disability, Colonial Life and LTC. Speaker 500:28:41So then looking at capital deployment in the Q1, we executed a $1,000,000 accelerated share agreement and continue to anticipate repurchasing approximately $200,000,000 of our shares for the full year. Capital contributions in the Fairwind subsidiary were $215,000,000 in the quarter. With favorable performance in the LTC block And the rise in interest rates this quarter, we are trending favorably within the range of full year capital contributions to Fairwind $550,000,000 to $650,000,000 that we guided to at our Investor Meeting. So then wrapping up with a comment on our outlook for the year, We initially set our expectation for growth in after tax adjusted operating income per share in a range of 4% to 7% For 2022, we are raising our outlook to an expectation for growth in the range of 15% to 20%. This improvement reflects our strong performance in the Q1 and our expectation for additional upside to our original outlook for the balance of the year, which will be really focused in the Q2 of 2022. Speaker 500:29:45Recall that at our Investor Meeting in February, we also provided an outlook for after tax adjusted operating income per share To increase within a range of 45% to 55% by 2024 or 2021 earnings per share $4.35 per share. We are not, at this time, changing that outlook. Now I'll turn the call back to Rick for his closing comments, and I look forward to your questions. Speaker 300:30:11Great. Thanks, Steve. I'll just wrap up by reiterating we're very pleased with the performance of the company as we continue to deliver for our customers throughout the pandemic. We believe we are very well positioned in today's business environment and remain very encouraged with our outlook going forward. Operator00:30:33Thank you. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally and we ask you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Our first question today comes from Erik Bass from Autonomous Research. Your line is open. Speaker 400:30:58Hi, thank you. So since the time of your outlook call, interest rates are up significantly. And based on your disclosure, this should materially reduce the outstanding long term care PDR balance. So does this change your thinking at all about the cadence at which you plan to fund the remaining deficiency? And would you consider hedging interest rates to lock in either some or all of the benefit? Speaker 500:31:20Eric, this is Steve. I can take that one. I think there's a couple of things to think about. I go back to the Investor Day conversation that we had about the premium I think there's 2 things to keep in mind. One is just how the interest rate assumption works for the premium deficiency reserve. Speaker 500:31:36It's based on a trailing 3 year average. And so although we're really encouraged with where our rates have gone early in this year, we do still have a little bit of Past interest rates that we need to work through in just the construct of that calculation as we saw the 2020 prevailing rates in there. So that's one dimension of it. The other is we do amortize that in over a period of time. Originally, it was a 7 period of time. Speaker 500:32:04And so that amortization will decrease a little bit the current period impact of any reduction in the overall PDR. So As we sit here today, we're very encouraged about where rates go. We obviously want those to continue and even potentially go up. I'll say that the contribution or the impact on our 2022 capital deployment plan will be somewhat modest Because of those two dimensions. And so we'll just see how this plays out over the year, where we end up at our year end calculation. Speaker 500:32:35We'll calibrate our fairwind contributions at that point and then we'll think about go forward capital deployment opportunities. On the hedging front that's definitely something that we look at. We're continuing to evaluate our hedging strategy. I do agree with you that where rates are now, it makes that look more attractive. We have not executed on anything to date this year, but it is something that we are looking at. Speaker 400:33:00Great. Thank you. And then if you could just provide maybe a little bit more detail on what assumptions are embedded in your EPS guidance range for both additional COVID deaths and variable investment income over the course of the year? Speaker 500:33:13Yes. Let me start with the variable Alternative investment income. Probably where I would start there is we have a little bit over $1,000,000,000 portfolio and our expected yield on that is 8% 10%. So you kind of do the math on that. That's $80,000,000 to $100,000,000 annually of income, which breaks down about $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 per quarter. Speaker 500:33:34That is what we would expect for the remainder of the year, so somewhere in that range, in the low $20,000,000 range. But as we've seen, that can be fairly volatile. So we'll just Have to see how that plays out quarter by quarter. And then when you just think about the general pattern for 2022, We've obviously locked in the Q1 results that we've seen. We believe that second quarter is going to be an improvement So probably the simple math to do for the remaining 3 quarters is somewhere in the $125 per quarter range. Speaker 500:34:09I think that's pretty consistent with what our expectations previously were for the 3rd Q4, but would be an increase to what we had originally thought the second Quarter might be. So that's probably a pretty good range to calibrate to. Speaker 400:34:24Great. Thank you. Speaker 500:34:26Thanks, Eric. Speaker 600:34:27Thanks, Eric. Operator00:34:29Our next question comes from Alex Scott from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:34:35Hi, good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on the response on the hedging consideration. And I know you mentioned the backward looking sort of rolling aspect of the way the rates work in the actual premium deficiency calculation. I mean, Is that an issue or hurdle with potentially putting on a hedge or do you think the powers that be Might be receptive to the idea that this would be a pretty significant risk management action that I think would be very beneficial. Would they Work with you to maybe change that practice to help you align something with the economics and allow us Significantly change our view of the cost of equity of your company? Speaker 500:35:28Yes. I would say it's not a hurdle. It's obviously something that we'll work through with our regulator. I do agree with you that they will view that as a very positive From a risk management perspective and I think they'll be very willing to work with us and incorporate that sort of risk management into how we think about forward looking interest rates. That is part of those we're going through in evaluating how we might approach a hedging strategy that we will work through with our regulator. Speaker 200:35:55Yes, I think it's Speaker 300:35:56important to look at the premium deficiency reserve. This is about how we manage Book of business, right? So the construct of how it gets measured is not something we hedge. We're looking at hedging and the risk management for the overall book of business. The construct will take care of itself over a period of time. Speaker 300:36:12So any hedges that we look at are about an overall risk management of interest rate risk around our long term care business. Speaker 700:36:19Got it. And then maybe just high level, as we think through some of the Group Benefits businesses, Any update on thinking and just in terms of premiums and you've got some tailwinds between the labor market inflation, So the rate you're taking, any update now that we've gotten through the Q1 on just What the combined impact of those things will look like as we progress through the year? Speaker 400:36:49Yes, Alex, it's Mike. Thanks for the question. And we are really pleased With the start that we've gotten off to here in the Q1, sales up for Udom U. S, as Rick was highlighting, by 7%, Colonial, 15% international, and maybe I'll flip it to Mark in just a second to talk about the market over there where we've seen the market Grow and our position in that market improve, which is a good story overall. So as we continue to see Sales improved and come up in relation to the block, paired with strong persistency. Speaker 400:37:22And as you said, some tailwind on natural growth, we would expect to see Our overall top line earned premium growth continue to move up sequentially as we work through 2022. We talked a little bit about it last quarter and at the outlook meeting. We do see a need to Gradually increase rates as we talked about, probably most pronounced in the fee based businesses. Those are where we've seen that Increasing complexity in serving our clients with state, municipal, corporate and federal level We've integrated with disability. That's also, given the nature of a fee based business where wage pressures are most acute, so we want to stay a little bit ahead of that. Speaker 400:38:06Placement of rates for that all important January 1 date, we're right in line with expectations. We're in the midst of another, again, sort of Moderate single digit type program on the insurance side, a little bit higher on the fee based side for oneone of 2023 and it's too early to say, but At this point, feeling like the client relationships we've got and the strength of our distributions And allow us to deliver that renewal program pretty successfully. So as I look across the brands, the products and the segments in the U. S, We've certainly got a long way to go here in 2022, but encouraged by the start that we've got on the U. S. Speaker 400:38:49Side. Maybe, Mark, you've got a couple Speaker 300:38:50of thoughts on International? Speaker 800:38:53Yes, Mike. Thanks. I mean, I think Poland and UK are both good markets. Poland has been A double digit growth market for some little while. Actually, the U. Speaker 800:39:02K. Market has definitely been improving. I think it's Reflecting increased demand for employee benefits after the value through the pandemic has been proven quite clearly. I think we have been working hard to improve our value proposition for the brokers, for the employers and for the employees. And we are therefore very pleased with the sales results, which are up 47% across the two businesses. Speaker 800:39:28We have also been actively seeking selective price management opportunities at renewal, And it is therefore pleasing to see that with even with those price management opportunities, we've seen an improving persistency rate in the UK and we've remained at About 98% in Poland. I think if I look at the quarter on quarter growth we saw in the UK, it was high reflecting a good quarter. And although I hope that we continue to have good quarters, at the moment we are fundamentally resetting our expectations here. Speaker 700:40:03Thanks for the responses. Speaker 300:40:05Thanks Alex. Operator00:40:08Our next question comes from Tracy Bendigui from Barclays. Your line is open. Speaker 900:40:14Good morning. Thank you for referring to the PER balances at your February outlook date, Slide 23. Just based on my understanding, I think you shared the 10 year treasury illustration for simplicity. But really since LTC risk It's so long derated. You're also using your formula, the 20 30 year treasury tenure. Speaker 900:40:37And you footnoted an Assumption of a 50 basis point spread between the 10 and the 20thirty. So with the yield curve flattening, Stephen and Bertie, any thoughts on the sensitivity of those 20, 30 year tenure? Speaker 500:40:53Yes, Tracy, this is Steve. And sorry, I stole your thunder. I caught that in your write up addressing the dynamics of how the PDR works. And I think that's a really good call out. Yes. Speaker 500:41:04We are heavily weighted, to the 2030 year in that portfolio. So you're right. We use the 10 year as a guideline, But it is very important where the 30 year ends up. So I think that's a good comparison to make to where we are kind of in the current market. Other thing that I would say is we do have allocation to an alternative asset class of investments that also backs LTC. Speaker 500:41:27But I think a good indicator is where the 2,030 is. And although obviously the 10.30 spread isn't at the 50 basis points, I would say we feel good about where the 30 actually is on an absolute basis. Speaker 900:41:41Right. Because in a way it It comes a new point if you just land there on its own, even if the shape of that curve might not look as steep as what you would have liked. Okay. Speaker 200:41:51And Speaker 900:41:54on right. And on your updated 2022 outlook guidance, To be sure, you're simply accelerating the timeframe. You're seeing normalization of pre pandemic trends based on the Q1 results and what you're So far in the Q2, I mean you basically say yourself you're going to still land at that 45% to 55% EPS growth from 21% to 24%. Just the shape to get there might look more level versus what you were thinking back in February. It might have been a steeper increase in 2023. Speaker 900:42:26So I just want to make sure I'm thinking about that the right way. Also, it doesn't sound like you updated in your 2022 outlook A contemplation of higher interest rates. So is it fair to say the higher interest rates is more of a capital consideration for Unum? It really will take a long Speaker 500:42:46Time to impact earnings. Yes, Theresa, this is Steve. A lot in there. So let me kind of address each individually. You are right on how we're thinking about the 20 2022 forecast. Speaker 500:42:56It is really just an acceleration. If you go back to our Investor Day, we had several contributions to The longer term EPS growth for the company and one of the largest was just recovery from the pandemic. So for that component, I would say yes. It's an acceleration back to kind of a normalized core benefit ratio in many of our lines. We also though had other contributors to that, Whether it's expense efficiencies, it's growth, it's renewal and rate increases or it's capital management that also factored in To that longer term 2024 expectation, those still hold. Speaker 500:43:33We still feel very good about those other contributing factors. So I think that's the right way to think about it. And then as far as rates go, you're right. I would say we have not really incorporated Much upside into our outlook right now for where rates are. I think there's 2 places that that could show up. Speaker 500:43:511 would be around Capital management and the implications for the premium deficiency reserve. As I mentioned earlier though, the 2022 impact probably is not going to be all that significant. It will set us up though as we move through subsequent years if rates stay where they are for maybe More oversized implications to our capital deployment plan. The other thing that I would say is just on closed block, Because we do put so much money to work within the year, that could be potential upside to the Closed Block earnings. But again, we just want to see how that plays out over the year. Speaker 500:44:27I would say in a lot of our other lines, any upside to interest rates would be something that we would just probably incorporate in our thinking about pricing And really how that might play out versus actual upside to earnings. Speaker 900:44:42Got it. Thank you. Speaker 500:44:44Thanks, Tracy. Operator00:44:47Our next question comes from Tom Gallagher from Evercore. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:44:54Good morning. Just a few questions on long term care. If you do end up Locking in some interest rate hedges, would you see that having a material influence on the pricing that you might get On a potential risk transfer deal, and is that part of the reason that you'd be contemplating it? Speaker 500:45:20Yes. I would say that there is some potential there. It would depend on the buyer and how the buyer views their own investment strategy This is our investment strategy and that's something we just have to work through how we settled The initial transaction, I do think though, obviously, higher interest rates are favorable to a deal overall. And that's obviously something that we're looking at, but it would kind of depend on the buyer and how they would view that as a risk management versus just their own investment strategy. Speaker 1000:45:55And I guess my follow-up is when you think about and I realize You've indicated that a potential deal would take a while just given how much actuarial work and the like is required. But Given what's happened in interest rates, any sense of bid ask spread, whether you think the pricing would have improved meaningfully Given how much higher interest rates are today, and if so, if it has narrowed, I would imagine then putting on more Putting on rate hedges would make sense or would you feel like you'd still need rates to go higher to see it continue narrowing where It would become attractive from a pricing standpoint. Speaker 500:46:39Yes, Tom, I would say we have a lot of work still to do On any type of transaction, there's really nothing imminent. Again, rising rates are going to be a positive from a buyer's perspective, what they're able to get in the market, But that's something that we have to just work through the actual construct of a transaction to just see how meaningfully that would impact the buyers view of the block. Speaker 1000:47:04Got you. And then just one final question. When you if you were to strip out the favorable Mortality experience from the LPC benefit ratio, where would you say you're trending right now? It sounds like there's still Favorable claims trends, but is it very close to normal? Is it still somewhat favorable relative to historic averages? Speaker 1000:47:30And then I guess relatedly, if we get through a favorable 2022, it's going to be 3 years of favorable LTC results and the related question is, any sense that the regulators are changing the way they're Thinking about approving rate increases following 3 years of potential favorability here? Speaker 500:47:53Yes. I would say In the quarter, we, as we mentioned, had higher employment mortality. We also had pretty favorable claims incidents. We do still think that during a kind of pandemic, even if it's light pandemic for the remainder of the year, Somewhere in that 80% below 80% loss ratio probably makes sense. But over time, when we get back to a more, I guess stable COVID environment and it even abates more. Speaker 500:48:25We do think we'll be back up in that 85% to 90% Range, but we'll just have to see how it plays out and whether there's any longer term behavioral changes within the block. Now when it comes to how we think about long term And also how our regulator thinks about long term assumptions. COVID is viewed as an anomaly. And so far, We really haven't had much debate on either side whether we should take a more favorable view when we look at things like the premium deficiency reserve itself Or on the other side, how regulators might view our rate increase requests. We haven't really incorporated Some of the more acute claim mortality that we've seen into either of those analyses and I think the regulators are very supportive of that approach. Speaker 1000:49:13Okay, great. Thanks. Speaker 500:49:16Thanks, Tom. Operator00:49:18Our next question comes from Ryan Krueger from KBW. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:49:24Hey, good morning. Can you touch on the level of new money rates That you're getting at this point and how that compares to your portfolio yield? Speaker 500:49:36Yes. Ryan, we haven't really disclosed a lot around What our new money rate is on a quarter to quarter basis and try to stay away from that. I'll tell you we are really encouraged if you just look at where prevailing rates are. They've gone up about 140 basis points from the beginning of the year. So clearly, we're closing the gap between new money yields and our Portfolio rate, but they are still below the portfolio rate. Speaker 500:50:02And so feel good about it, very encouraged about it, But we don't disclose that on a quarter to quarter basis. Speaker 200:50:13Got it. And then In the outlook call, you talked about some pressure on premium growth in the large employer market. I saw that your sales were actually pretty good there This quarter, I was just hoping for an update there and if the pressure on premium was more related to some potential Persistence impacts or if you had also expected lower sales than you kind of achieved in the Q1 there? Speaker 400:50:38Yes, Ryan, it's Mike. Like you said, encouraging Q1, I would say, a lot, in fact, Nearly all of the growth in the Q1 was sales with existing clients, and it's not typically our biggest sales quarter in the year in that large case Okay. So we're right now in the middle of that large case selling season and that will go for the next 90 days Or so what we were talking about at the outlook meeting was that's the part of the group insurance market in the U. S. That we are Seeing as most competitive and as we kind of lead into those rate increases we were talking about earlier, particularly around fee based In short term disability businesses, we had a bit more of a cautious outlook there and We'll see how the year plays out. Speaker 400:51:29I do feel good about the fact that both disability risk and interest rates Have been better here in the Q1 than our expectations. That may give us a little bit more flexibility there. But As you come to expect from us, we're going to be pretty long term in terms of our outlook around pricing growth Trade offs. So to be looking forward to updating you in the quarters to come on how this year is materializing, but Feel very, very good about the value proposition we've got in the market, our ability to connect into our clients' HR platforms, what we've been able to do on the lead front. So, see how Speaker 600:52:11it plays out. Speaker 200:52:14All right. Thank you. Speaker 600:52:16Thanks Ryan. Operator00:52:18Our next question comes from Sandeep Kamath from Jefferies. Your line is open. Speaker 1100:52:24Great. Thank you. Just overall at a high level on group sales, I mean we're seeing strength pretty much across the board for all the companies that And my sense is that it's not a lot of competition that a lot of it is Sales to existing customers. And so the thought is that most of the players are behaving and acting rationally. Just want to make sure that that's consistent with what you guys are seeing in terms of the competitive environment? Speaker 400:52:53Yes, Suneet, it's Mike. I think that is Probably pretty consistent. That large case end of the market is where we see it most acutely competitive. I think your read actually is right. We've seen pretty much across the board other carriers looking to retain They're client first and foremost. Speaker 400:53:14And so that's certainly our lean and orientation as well. The degree of rate underwriting competitive that's going to oscillate a bit year to year. I'd say we're in a period right now, which is sort of solidly average in Speaker 1100:53:33Okay, got it. And then the other thing that struck me was Colonial. Unfortunately, Tom's not there to brag about Order, but the persistency improved and I note that one of your large competitors is seeing the opposite impact where The more mobile job market is leading to lower persistency. So just curious if that dynamic is affecting you guys as well and it's just being That by something or where the improvement is coming from? Speaker 400:54:00Yes. Really pleased to see persistency. That is our primary focus is making sure we're doing a good job for clients. And so it's at a great spot That's 79% and that's a really solid foundation for premium growth. And then you layer in the 15% growth And new sales, as that sales level continues to move up sequentially and gets to the right spot relative to the in force block, The overall earned premium will start to click in, and it's good to be back in the black from that point of view. Speaker 400:54:35Pretty broad based Success for Colonial Life in the new business markets, in the direct small end of the market, really good growth, Great growth with existing clients, good growth in the public sector. So all the places that we're trying to hit with our Colonial Life Speaker 300:54:59Tim is pretty happy about it as well. Speaker 1100:55:03Yes, I would imagine. Thanks. Operator00:55:07Our next question comes from Jimmy Bhullar from JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 1200:55:13Hi, good morning. So most of my questions were answered, But I just wanted to see if you could discuss a little bit more detail on what's going on what's been going on in the Long Term Care segment in terms of strong results over the last few quarters. And maybe if you could be a little bit more specific on this quarter in terms of how much The benefit you saw from lower incidence and then on mortality versus what you would have seen maybe pre pandemic. And I'm assuming obviously mortality will trend whatever happens with COVID, but do you think incidence patterns might have changed given the pandemic and maybe people's reluctance to So that nursing homes or other factors? Speaker 500:55:55Benjamin, this is Steve. Yes, I'll just kind of go back and just lay out the trends that we've seen Through the pandemic and long term care and then just how that might project forward a little bit. As you recall very early on 2020 Q2, where everything hit more acutely. We saw claimant mortality Up to like 30% by count above what our seasonal expectations are. And as I mentioned about our Group life experience, it's early on the pandemic, very focused on the elderly population and therefore very focused Those people that we insure would have been long term care. Speaker 500:56:34You saw that kind of come down in the 50%, 15%, 10% range down to 5% and then really Through the Delta variant kind of in the fall, you saw our claimant mortality almost get back to our expectations on a seasonally adjusted basis. What we have seen in the Q1 is that tick back up, where by count, women mortality is about 10% above what our expectations would have been. On an incident front, we saw very low incidents early on in the pandemic, the Q1 for sure, maybe the 1st couple of quarters. We saw that moderate fairly quickly where people that were eligible for claim did Move forward and request claim and be put on claim. And you saw that pretty consistently through the pandemic. Speaker 500:57:20And I would say on a run rate basis, we believe that will be pretty consistent with pre pandemic activity. I think the Q1 is just a bit of anomaly where we saw just some very, Very good performance. But as you know, this block can be pretty volatile. So I'm not anticipating that to continue. I would say for the Q1, we were probably about 10 percentage points better on the loss ratio Then maybe what we would have expected. Speaker 500:57:47And again, I would say that is driven by both, just normal volatility, Claims incidence as well as the higher claim of mortality that we're attributing to COVID. So again, I think going forward, Probably for the remainder of the year, the 80% feels about right. Beyond that, we would expect to get back to kind of a more normalized expected loss ratio. Speaker 1200:58:11Okay. And then if I think about your guidance, obviously, there's a lot of uncertainty and lots of moving parts. But Given the results in the Q1, it would seem like you're going to hit the top end of the guidance even without any changes in Expectations that the Street had in terms of future earnings. So it seems like the guidance is overly conservative, but do you agree With that or are there other things that might be headwinds like in future quarters that people might not be seeing? Speaker 300:58:44Yes, Jimmy, it's Rick. I would just say when you look at our Q1 performance, very happy with that. And then we look at over the course of the year, we increased Our outlook, just given what we're seeing in the Q1, we expect Q2 to be a little bit better and normalize over the second half of the year. If you go back to our outlook at the second half of the year, we were expecting that to be pretty consistent with what we thought going into the year. So we put out a To give you our kind of best view, it's going to be volatile. Speaker 400:59:13We'll have to see how it Speaker 300:59:13plays out, but we still think that's a pretty good range. Speaker 1200:59:18Okay. Thank you. Operator00:59:23Our next question comes from Mark Hughes from Truist. Your line is open. Speaker 1300:59:28Yes. Thank you. Good morning. On the top line at Unum U. S, you've got a lot of tailwinds. Speaker 1300:59:35It seems like the natural growth, Pricing, good sales, you talked about 2% growth for the full year. As you Exit the year and get into 2023, any sense you can give us of what the top line might shape up to be With these kind of tailwinds? Speaker 400:59:58Yes, Mark, it's Mike. I guess I'd answer it in 2 ways. One is Pre pandemic for those businesses, you really like that sort of 4% to 6% or 7% growth, and I don't see any reason To expect that we can't get back to that, the exact timing for when the current 2% run rate comes all the way back up into that range, I can't tell you with a great deal of certainty, but a lot of like you said, a lot of reasons Optimism, really strong persistency, effectively placing rate increases, seeing new sales growth, another good John's report this morning all kind of pointing towards continued building momentum On the top line over the coming quarters. Speaker 601:00:50Thank you. Yes. Operator01:00:56Our next question comes from Josh Schrier from Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 1401:01:02Yes. Thank you for fitting me in. I wanted to talk about you have a lot of protections against inflation in the long term fair book With caps and caps on the CAGR of the benefit, can you talk about the percentage Of claimants who are maximizing the JV benefit and has that changed from where it was at the beginning of the pandemic? Speaker 501:01:23Yes, this is Steve. Probably the best way to answer that just to kind of ground back on the What our block of business looks like from the standpoint of indemnity versus reimbursement, Our block is about 98% indemnity. And so and just as a refresher on that, So if someone is claim eligible and receive services on a daily basis, it's a contractual benefit that's hardwired into the contract That we pay them. So very small, 2% of our block is reimbursement where we're actually reimbursing for actual So I'd say that variable is really just de minimis on our block and is not something that we really need to worry about inflation Within the services provided themselves because the benefit amount inflates at whatever the contractual rate is. And that does not vary. Speaker 501:02:21That said additionally. Speaker 1401:02:23Okay. Yes. And then, how is face to face interactions in Colonial Life comparing With where you were in February of 2020. Speaker 301:02:36Sorry, can you just repeat? It's face to face. Yes, good. Speaker 1401:02:40Yes. I mean, I think Speaker 401:02:41yes, I got it. I appreciate it. So, and it varies a bit as the pandemic It's Ted. But in general, I'd say it's a really good balance point where it is the continued both At the employer level and delivery of enrollment services on a face to face business increasingly augmented by the digital capabilities that we've invested In the Colonial Life brand, I think of that as everything from being able to 100% digitally enroll through Chat through video, just really meeting the consumer where their preferences are from an education and communication Point of view, we're actually really encouraged about the acceleration towards digital that occurred through the pandemic in terms of the ability for us to Increased agent productivity. We saw really strong delivery on a productivity basis out of our new agents. Speaker 401:03:39Also our reach into the market and getting to places that geographically otherwise might be quite challenging for us. Speaker 1401:03:51Thank you very much. Speaker 601:03:53Thanks, Joe. Okay. Thanks, Joe. Operator01:03:55Our final question comes from Josh Jaroslav from Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Speaker 601:04:02Good morning. Thanks for taking the time. I just wanted to follow-up on the PDR funding question from a few minutes ago and make sure my head is in the right place. And I'm cognizant of the look back period that plays in the PDR funding, but hypothetically, if rates were to stay the same or at least they don't decline over the next year or 2, And that you do ultimately make that $550,000,000 to $650,000,000 contribution of Fairwind that you previously guided to, Then at the end of the day, does that mean there's somewhere less than roughly $500,000,000 in total PDR funding that you would need to do by the end of 2026 or 2024 whatever cadence or timeline you choose? Yes. Speaker 501:04:41This is Steve. I'll take that. The math becomes a little complicated And we need to make sure we're talking about apples to apples. So when you think about the PDR itself, and the sensitivities that we've given, that's on a Before tax basis. So when you look at capital contributions, those are going to be more driven by an after tax recognition of the PDR. Speaker 501:05:05The other thing to think about there is we do also have ongoing funding requirements outside of the PDR For Fairwind, if you go back and you look historically, that was about $150,000,000 a year, give or take, in any 1 year. Those will continue at Some level over time regardless of the timing of recognizing the PDR. So I would just step back and say, we still feel very good about the 5.50 to 6.50 for this year. As I mentioned, rates aren't really going to impact all that much the requirement for this year. But if rates do continue at the level they are specifically the 20 and the 30 year, you can kind of see on the sensitivities that we provided What ultimately as we work through the next 2, 3, 4 years ultimately that PDR could be under those scenarios and obviously that would impact How we think about capital deployment and the speed at which we can recognize the entire PDR. Speaker 501:06:03But it's still a little too early to call that, We're very, very encouraged by where rates have gone over the last 60, 90, 120 days. Speaker 601:06:14Understood. Appreciate the color. Thank you very much. Speaker 501:06:18Thanks, Chuck. Thank you. Operator01:06:20We have no further questions. I'll now hand back to Rick McKenney for closing remarks. Speaker 301:06:25Great. I want to thank everybody for taking the time to join us this morning. This will complete our call for Q1 2022. We do look forward to seeing many of you in upcoming conferences and investor events and also welcome shareholders to join us for our annual meeting in So with that, we'll end the call. Thank you very much. Operator01:06:43Today's call has now concluded. We'd like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by