CenterPoint Energy Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Leadership continuity: CFO Jason Wells was promoted to President & COO, highlighting strong succession planning and executive depth.
  • Q3 non-GAAP EPS of $0.32 beat last year’s $0.25; the company reaffirmed 2022 guidance of $1.37–$1.39 and initiated 2023 guidance of $1.48–$1.50, implying ~8% growth.
  • The 10-year capital plan was increased by $2.3 billion to nearly $43 billion through 2030, with an additional $3 billion of customer-driven grid resiliency, modernization and EV investments identified.
  • Incremental investments will be recovered via interim regulatory mechanisms and funded without issuing new equity, preserving targeted FFO-to-debt of 14–15% and avoiding dilution.
  • CenterPoint has delivered 10 consecutive quarters of industry-leading non-GAAP EPS growth and achieved a pure-play regulated utility profile (95% regulated earnings) after midstream divestitures.
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Earnings Conference Call
CenterPoint Energy Q3 2022
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There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to CenterPoint Energy's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call with Senior Management. During the company's prepared remarks, all participants will be in a listen only mode. There will be a question and answer session after management's remarks. I will now turn the call over to Jackie Rickert, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Ms.

Operator

Rickett?

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to CenterPoint's earnings conference call. Dave Lazar, our CEO and Jason Wells, our CFO, will discuss the company's Q3 2022 results. Management will discuss certain topics that will contain projections and other forward looking information and statements that are based on management's beliefs, assumptions and information currently available to management. These forward looking statements are subject to risks or uncertainties.

Speaker 1

Actual results could differ materially based upon various factors as noted in our Form 10 Q, other SEC filings and our earnings materials. We undertake no obligation to revise or update publicly any forward looking statement. We will be discussing certain non GAAP measures on today's call. When providing guidance, we use the non GAAP EPS measure of adjusted diluted earnings per share on a consolidated basis referred to as non GAAP EPS. For information on our guidance methodology and a reconciliation of the non GAAP measures used in providing guidance, please refer to the earnings news release and presentation, both of which can be found under the Investors section on our website.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, we use our website to announce material information. This call is being recorded. Information on how to access the replay can be found on our website. Now, I'd like to turn the discussion over to Dave.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jackie. Good morning and thank you to everyone joining us for our Q3 2022 earnings call. Before we get started today, I want to congratulate Jason Wells on this morning's announcement of his pending promotion to President and COO of CenterPoint Energy. Since joining our team a little over 2 years ago, He has demonstrated that he has the strategic vision, executive mindset, deep industry experience and operational knowledge to be a great leader. Equally important, he has the confidence and support of our organization, our Board and our shareholders.

Speaker 2

This promotion is a product of an ongoing and thoughtful succession planning process an executive development journey that has been a top priority of mine and our entire Board. The Board and I have watched Jason grow as an executive over the last 2 years and believe now is the perfect time to expand his role within our organization. And for those of you who are wondering, I am not going anywhere. I look forward to continuing to mentor and support Jason in his new role and to working side by side to execute on our strategy. I know I speak for many of you when I say, well done, Jason.

Speaker 2

As you have seen from the press releases We issued this morning, this has been a very busy quarter at CenterPoint and today's call may seem a bit like a mini Analyst Day update. When I became the CEO of CenterPoint nearly two and a half years ago, The company needed to quickly establish a strategic path forward to, among other things, realign our relationships with our regulators, customers and investors. We look to immediately set challenging, but executable goals by which you could measure progress while collectively adopting a management mindset of over delivering on our commitments. I want to highlight what that has looked like here at CenterPoint over the last two and a half years. So what we've achieved so far.

Speaker 2

1st, we committed to achieving industry leading non GAAP EPS growth. Now, Including this quarter, we have met or exceeded that goal for 10 consecutive quarters. In addition, we have over delivered on that growth by raising our non GAAP EPS guidance 5 times during that 2.5 year span and continue to reiterate that we will grow future earnings off of each new and higher base that we achieve. 2nd, we committed to becoming a pure play regulated utility that was not subjected to the earnings volatility of our now divested midstream investment. And now more than 95% of our earnings are derived from regulated utility operations.

Speaker 2

The approximately $1,300,000,000 of after tax midstream sale proceeds exceeded your expectations and allowed us to reinvest the money into our regulated utility businesses for the benefit of our customers. Finally, we committed to funding our increased regulated utility investments without reliance on external equity issuances. This led to the sale of our Arkansas and Oklahoma LDCs for which we obtained a landmark valuation and then recycled those cash proceeds efficiently back into our regulated businesses, all for the benefit of our customers and investors. Now let's look at today. We earned $0.32 in the 3rd quarter on a non GAAP basis.

Speaker 2

We are also reiterating full year 2022 non GAAP EPS guidance of 1 $0.37 to $1.39 per share, which represents a 9% growth rate at the midpoint versus the comparable 2021 Non GAAP utility EPS of $1.27 And as Jason will discuss, we are also ahead of plan in terms of capital spend for 2022 in spite of supply chain pressures and we've deployed more capital than anticipated. In addition, today we are initiating our full year 2023 non GAAP EPS guidance target range of $1.48 to $1.50 At the midpoint, this represents an additional 8% growth over our previously raised 2022 non GAAP EPS guidance. Beyond 2023, We continue to expect 8% non GAAP EPS growth for 2024 and at the mid to high end of 6% to 8% annually thereafter through 2,030. I also want to point out that these earnings growth rate targets do not reflect any potential earnings from the $5,300,000,000 and incremental capital opportunities that we will discuss next. Our track record of over delivering continues with today's What is now a 3rd increase to our 2021 Analyst Day $40,000,000,000 10 year capital plan.

Speaker 2

We continue to anchor around this Analyst Day number to provide consistency, clarity and clearly mark goalposts for our investors to follow. Our new incremental capital opportunities are based on customer driven investments that were developed through our increased stakeholder engagement strategy. Our strategy Initially kicked off with the City of Houston on our collective Resilient Now initiative under the leadership of Mayor Sylvester Turner. It has grown to include over 30 cities and some of our largest industrial customers. With their collective input, we have developed $5,300,000,000 in additional capital opportunities related to increased systems resiliency, reliability and grid modernization, as well as to facilitate eventual EV adoption.

Speaker 2

Now there is a well known saying that demographics is destiny. And in looking at its demographics, the City of Houston is destined for great things. As the only investor owned utility headquartered in Texas, we are fortunate to serve customers in the City of Houston and its surrounding areas. The Houston area is one of the fastest growing and most ethnically diverse areas in the nation, averaging more than 2% annual population growth over the last 3 decades. We believe that this diversity only strengthens Houston's future growth prospect, which benefits our customers and investors alike.

Speaker 2

Although Houston today is well known as the Energy Capital of the World, not as well known is that it's also home to one of the largest Active ports in the nation and the Houston based Texas Medical Center, which is the largest medical center in the world. For example, the Port of Houston is the largest port in the U. S. By waterborne tonnage and is also the U. S.

Speaker 2

Largest exporter with over $140,000,000,000 of goods shipped annually. This is more than 35% greater than that of New York, the next largest U. S. Shipping exporter. The Houston Ship Channel's petrochem complex alone Boast 272 chemical plants, refineries and other industrial facilities, which generate about $800,000,000,000 a year in business annually.

Speaker 2

Just this summer, an additional $1,000,000,000 project We started to widen and deepen the channel to support immense future growth. In addition, The Port Authority is now looking at electrifying its port operation. This will also benefit our customers and communities who live near the port by helping reduce submissions from idling cargo ships. Turning to the Texas Medical Center or TMC. If this complex was standing on its own, it would already be the 8th largest business district in the United States.

Speaker 2

And just last month, it was announced that the TMC would nearly double its size in the next 5 to 10 years. It is now anticipated that this doubling in size of the TMC will alone create over 100,000 new jobs. With a greater focus on the biosciences and biomanufacturing of critical medical products, The TMC should continue to attract diverse talent for years to come. Today, it already sees roughly 8,000,000 patients every year. So much like the region, it continues to grow.

Speaker 2

Lastly, and perhaps the purest illustration of Houston's incredible organic growth, there were over 70,000 births in the Houston area alone last year. That's a new baby born every 7 minutes. While Houston's natural growth and positioning in the Gulf Coast provides a clear competitive advantage, we are also mindful of our exposure to severe weather. Our Houston Electric customers know what's at stake. A day without power can equal a loss of up to $1,400,000,000 of GDP.

Speaker 2

This is one factor that drives a collective Community desire for a more reliable and resilient energy supply. This desire has led to Customer driven investment opportunities that we will be folding into our 10 year capital plan through 2,030. For reasons to be discussed next, at this time, we are now only incorporating $2,300,000,000 of this additional $5,300,000,000 in capital into the balance of our existing 10 year investment plan through 2,030. $1,000,000,000 of this is expected to be deployed by the end of 2025 and another $1,300,000,000 to be deployed by the end of 2,030, all for the benefit of our customers. And while we are not updating our Analyst Today, non GAAP EPS guidance targets previously discussed, the deployment of this increased capital will clearly increase the potential future earnings power of the company.

Speaker 2

The initial $2,300,000,000 in capital now being added to our investment plan reflects a subset of opportunities we believe we can currently and confidently execute efficiently and is comprised of the following: 1.6 $1,000,000,000 to $1,800,000,000 of this new capital will be dedicated toward our distribution system resiliency, reliability and expanded grid modernization. This also includes strategically undergrounding certain parts of our system, Replacing poles with higher wind resistant ones and elevating parts of the grid, especially substations to help protect such structures from the threat of flood damage. We recognize our customers want more resiliency more quickly, which is why we have already jumped ahead and began some of these projects in 2022. For example, dollars 300,000,000 of the $1,600,000,000 to $1,800,000,000 related to this category of capital spend is expected to be completed by the end of this year. $600,000,000 to $800,000,000 of this new capital will be focused on transmission upgrades.

Speaker 2

As we've stated before, our Houston Electric service territory Comprises just 2.5% of the geographic footprint of the state of Texas, We consume nearly 25% of ERCOT's peak summer load. At the same time, our service territories need to import Up to 60% of that load from generators outside our territory. This requirement to import a significant portion of the energy that is consumed in the Houston area each and every day Creates a risk of disruption. As this summer is illustrated, when Houston endures sustained high temperatures, Statewide power generation can struggle to keep up with demand and the need for additional transmission lines to deliver a cheaper and more diverse power supply for our customers in the Houston area becomes even more apparent. On top of the $2,300,000,000 described above, we have separately identified other capital investment opportunities of $3,000,000,000 which we will opportunistically integrate into our long term capital plan.

Speaker 2

These additional opportunities include even more grid modernization and system reliability investments, as well as the increased investments for accelerated electrification in the Houston area, including EVs. As a reminder, we conservatively estimate that each light duty EV brings approximately $80 in margin to us per year. The Houston area remains a laggard in the adoption with about 30,000 EVs on its roads today. None of the potential future earnings upside from additional EV penetration is reflected in our current earnings forecast. Furthermore, the $3,000,000,000 in additional future capital spend I mentioned earlier does not fully include the potential impact of increased or accelerated EV adoption.

Speaker 2

With nearly 5,000,000 cars in the Houston area, that is a lot of potential upside. The remaining $3,000,000,000 of opportunities beyond the $2,300,000,000 that we've added to our investment plan through 2,030 also provides capital upside and additional potential earnings power for us. However, As is our management team's history, we are taking a prudent approach and are not yet adding it to our capital plan. We will start to add these amounts incrementally to our planned capital spend once we are convinced we can access the labor, Nail down the availability of the equipment and deploy it to the benefit of our customers. In other words, we fully expect to include the $3,000,000,000 balance of the $5,300,000,000 Of these other new capital opportunities on our plan, when we believe we can operationally execute it, Efficiently fund it and prudently recover it.

Speaker 2

This approach is no different than our recent history of folding incremental capital into our plan once we are convinced we can efficiently deploy it to benefit our customers. The customer benefits of our revised capital plan are exciting and tangible, enhancing both reliability and resiliency, while also helping us to advance the restoration of service during outages. To summarize this capital spend, this will increase our current capital plan by $2,300,000,000 which now totals nearly $43,000,000,000 through 2,030. As I stated today, We are only including $2,300,000,000 of investments in our updated capital plan, for which we believe we have the crews and materials Can efficiently finance while remaining focused on overall affordability at the same time Customers are facing rising energy costs. The remaining $3,000,000,000 will be folded in once it also meets That same criterion, which we believe will be achievable through prior securitization charges rolling off, Our commitment to O and M discipline and the continued organic growth in our Houston Electric service This increased capital investment will also contribute to our ongoing efforts to reduce O and M over the longer term, which will help continue to keep customer bills affordable.

Speaker 2

Included in our capital spend are grid modernization investments such as circuit reclosers and other smart grid investments that will reduce the number of truck rolls to restore power, which should translate into lower O and M costs that directly Benefit our customers. The benefit of O and M savings is exemplified by the fact that every dollar saved of O and M roughly translates to $8 that can be invested as capital for the benefit of customers. This ability to reduce O and M along with prior securitization charges coming off the bill in 2022 In 2024 and continued organic growth creates a perfect opportunity to invest incremental capital for the benefit of our customers, while keeping customer charges affordable. We believe our continued O and M discipline An organically growing Houston customer base will also allow us to make these investments while customer charge increases stay below the average historical level of inflation of 2%. This is in line with the increase to our charges that we've seen for our Houston Electric customers over the last 10 years, which averaged a little over 1% annually.

Speaker 2

We also still expect to reduce our O and M by 1% to 2% per year on average over our 10 year plan. And in case you're wondering, This updated capital plan still does not require us to issue any additional external equity nor does it rely on the use of strategic proceeds from the sale of any additional regulated CenterPoint assets as our cash flow remains strong. This is a nice combination and a great position to be in today. Jason will walk you through our capital investment financing plan in a few minutes. Importantly, Recovering our updated capital plan does not rely on any big bets as approximately 80% of the total plan can be recovered through interim regulatory mechanisms.

Speaker 2

And again, Jason will go into more detail on the funding and financial details of this in his section. So in summary, before I turn the call over to Jason, Our management team is committed to executing on what we believe is one of the most tangible growth stories in the industry, which is driven by the growth profile of our largest jurisdiction, the Houston area. Our customer driven investments are focused on meeting our customers' desire for reliable and cleaner energy, so they can continue to contribute to one of the country's strongest and fastest growing economies. We will look to deliver on those investments, while keeping customer charges affordable, targeting charge increases at or below an average of 2% annually through 2,030. As we continue to engage with stakeholders, we believe additional customer driven opportunities can be identified and we look forward to furthering those customer discussions to help them achieve their own objectives.

Speaker 2

We reiterate 2022 non GAAP EPS guidance of $1.37 to 1 $0.39 A 9% growth rate over 2021, while initiating 2023 non GAAP EPS guidance of $1.48 to $1.50 per share, a further 8% growth. After that, we continue to target a further 8% growth through 2024 and at the mid to high end of 6% to 8% annually thereafter through 2,030, an industry leading growth rate. As a result of customer driven initiatives, we have identified $2,300,000,000 of new capital and $3,000,000,000 of future capital to increase resiliency, grid modernization, as well as to facilitate expanded electrification that will drive additional potential earnings power. We believe our continued focus on over delivering on our commitments has served our customers and investors well and will continue into the future. We are proud of our 10 consecutive quarters of execution and look to build on that streak, while also delivering above expectations for the benefit of both our customers and our investors.

Speaker 2

Lastly, we remain focused on achieving our value proposition, which is striving for Sustainable, resilient and affordable rates for our customers, sustainable earnings growth for our shareholders And a sustainable positive impact on the environment for our communities. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jason.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Dave, and thank you to all of you for joining us this morning for our Q3 call. And thank you, Dave, for those kind comments. I sincerely appreciate your continued mentorship and I also want to take a moment to thank the Board for their continued support. I'm humbled and honored to work alongside this great team we have here at CenterPoint in a different capacity starting next year. And I will remain committed to continuing to over deliver for all of our stakeholders as I approach this new role.

Speaker 3

Now I'll start by covering the financial results for the quarter as shown on Slide 5. On a GAAP EPS basis, we reported $0.30 for the Q3 of 2022. Similar to the Q2, our GAAP EPS results include a portion of the tax on the gain on sale of our Arkansas and Oklahoma gas LDCs, which we are required under GAAP to recognize over the course of the full year. On a non GAAP EPS basis, we reported $0.32 for the Q3 of 2022 compared to $0.25 for the same period in 2021. Growth in rate recovery contributed $0.05 largely driven by continued organic customer growth and capital recovery mechanisms for Houston Electric, which included TCOS and 1 month of DCRF recovery.

Speaker 3

Usage for this quarter was a favorable variance of $0.02 when compared to the same quarter of 2021, largely driven by warmer weather than normal that we've been experiencing here in the Greater Houston area. Ongoing cost management was a benefit of $0.02 for the quarter And we've been able to pull forward work for the benefit of our customers due to favorable weather through the second and third quarters of this year. This included accelerating additional vegetation management work into 2022, which began in the Q2. We continue to expect to Our average annual 1% to 2% O and M reductions over the 10 year plan. These favorable drivers were partially offset by higher interest expense of $0.04 $0.01 of which related to absorbing costs previously allocated to our Midstream segment in 2021.

Speaker 3

Other items contributed another $0.01 of favorable variance over the comparable quarter in 2021. Included in these other drivers are miscellaneous revenues and the disallowance of the 2021 winter storm related Extraordinary gas cost recovery by the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission. As Dave mentioned, we are initiating non GAAP EPS guidance of $1.48 to $1.50 for 2023, which represents 8% growth over the midpoint of our previously increased 2022 non GAAP EPS guidance of $1.37 to 1 $0.39 We continue to target 8% growth in 2024 and at the mid to high end of the 6% to 8% range annually thereafter through 2,030. Before I turn to the future capital updates, I want to note that we are tracking nicely against our 2022 capital plan as seen on Slide 6. Through the Q3, we spent $3,200,000,000 which represents nearly 70% of the updated current year $4,600,000,000 capital plan target.

Speaker 3

Again, these figures include the incremental $300,000,000 investment in grid hardening that Dave discussed. Now shifting to the long term capital plan and its corresponding earnings growth. As Dave already touched upon, we are updating our capital investment plan to include an incremental $2,300,000,000 of customer driven capital, which now totals nearly 43,000,000,000 of capital to be deployed through 2,030. Because we continue to update on our previously announced 10 year capital plan, which we are already 2 years into, This is really increasing the remaining 8 years by $2,300,000,000 Furthermore, we have an additional $3,000,000,000 of potential opportunities that we will continue to evaluate to determine the appropriate time to incorporate these in our capital plan. You may notice on Slide 17 of the appendix that the timing of our capital deployment has shifted somewhat from our last Analyst Day.

Speaker 3

As I will discuss later, the Posey Solar project is now expected to be placed into service in 2024 rather than the end of 2023. In light of the supply chain delays and in line with what we previously communicated, this shift in our capital profile was not completely unexpected and does not change our view of our non GAAP EPS guidance for 2023 or beyond because of the capital investment we announced we executed on earlier this year. It is also important to reiterate the recovery of this incremental capital is not based on any big bets. It is a series of small projects that we will be recovered through our routine and recurring interim capital recovery mechanisms. The result of the incremental $2,300,000,000 customer driven capital investment will drive a rate based CAGR of over 9.5% through 2,030.

Speaker 3

We are not updating our longer term non GAAP EPS growth guidance of 8% in 2024 and at the mid to high end of the 6% to 8% range annually thereafter through 2,030 despite this increase in capital investment. That is because it's very important to remember that we have a large number of rate cases in 2024 that will begin to set rates in 2025. We will update our long term non GAAP EPS growth estimates after those cases are resolved. However, I want to reiterate this additional capital investment We are announcing today will undoubtedly provide incremental earnings power for the company. Our goal continues to be delivering industry leading growth each and every year, while over delivering for our customers and our shareholders.

Speaker 3

On the matter of upcoming rate cases, we are taking measured steps to achieve constructive outcomes for all stakeholders. For example, we have already funded Houston Electric's current capital structure with 45% equity, despite the current approved capital structure being 42.5%. When looking at other non ERCOT Texas utilities, National averages and the fact we have potential exposure to severe weather, we believe a 45% equity ratio is the minimum level that should be considered going forward. We've not assumed that increase in our equity ratio and our long term EPS growth guidance, but we will work with our stakeholders to find a constructive resolution in our next rate case. Now turning to the financing of our capital plan.

Speaker 3

As Dave discussed, the updated capital plan does not require external equity financing nor does it require the sale of any of our rate regulated utility assets. The capital plan is expected to be funded through OpCo debt consistent with our regulatory capital structure and higher FFO from potential changes in capital structure or the cash currently funding the 45% equity ratio at Houston Electric, for which we only have approval for 42.5%. I also want to point out that we used some conservative cash estimates at our previous Analyst Day, specifically around cash taxes associated with the sales of energy transfer units and gas LDCs. This provided an additional source of cash that we can use to help fund this incremental capital. We believe we will be able to deliver on this increased capital plan While still targeting long term FFO to debt of 14% to 15%.

Speaker 3

As of the end of the Q3, our FFO to debt was over 15% above our stated target aligning with Moody's methodology. Shifting gears, there has been some concern among shareholders around the level of floating rate debt some utilities have. I want to address this topic. We intentionally entered 2022 with an elevated level of variable rate debt As we knew we were going to delever using the strategic proceeds from the sale of energy transfer units in the Arkansas and Oklahoma Gas LDCs. We have paid down over $1,600,000,000 in floating rate debt this year, resulting in a 35% reduction and floating rate debt since the beginning of 2022.

Speaker 3

In addition, as of the end of Q3 of 2022, We have reduced our parent level to total debt by 9 percentage points from the beginning of the year and project to be around 20% by the end of the year. With our continued focus on reducing parent level debt as a percentage of total debt and successful restructuring of the legacy Vectren legal entities, Next year, we will look to finance sigiko at the Opco level, which should allow us to reduce parent level debt by another $640,000,000 resulting in a more normalized and efficient financing structure for both our customers and our investors. One other item to note is we have the ability to file rate cases earlier than previously communicated and will likely take this approach for SERC. We anticipate SERC filing a Texas rate case in mid-twenty 23, which will allow us to update our revenue requirement for among other things increased interest costs. Moving on to a broader regulatory update on Slide 9.

Speaker 3

In Minnesota, we sought the full recovery of the $409,000,000 of extraordinary gas costs incurred during winter storm Yuri. While at the same time, we sought to minimize the impact on our customers by extending the recovery of that amount to 5 years. In May, the 2 administrative law judges that heard the evidence concluded that we acted prudently to procure gas to serve our customers during the extreme event. Unfortunately, in a split decision, the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission disallowed recovery of approximately $36,000,000 of the total $409,000,000 incurred or about 8.7% of the total. Similar percentage disallowances were applied by the Minnesota PUC to other companies that had excess gas costs in the state.

Speaker 3

As this case continues, we will work towards an outcome that we believe is both fair for our customers and CenterPoint alike. We also have a couple of securitizations that we continue to make progress towards completing. In Texas, the securitization related to extraordinary gas costs incurred during winter storm year continues to work its way through the regulatory process, and we expect to receive the approximately $1,100,000,000 of bond proceeds by the end of 2022. In Indiana, we continue to work with stakeholders to finalize a first of its kind $360,000,000 securitization of the A. B.

Speaker 3

Brown coal facilities that will result in savings for our Indiana Electric customers. We are expecting a decision by the end of this year And if the financing order is approved, a bond issuance would occur sometime in the Q1 of 2023. Aside from the extraordinary gas costs and securitizations, we have a few other regulatory items I want to highlight. We had a constructive outcome in our gas rate case in Minnesota, where we settled our rate case, which resulted in a revenue increase of approximately $48,500,000 In addition, we filed for our 2nd TCOS recovery in Texas for approximately $38,000,000 which we anticipate to start recovering in November this year. Moving to our integrated resource plan update.

Speaker 3

We're focused on delivering on our Indiana generation transition to support our net zero goals. And as I just discussed, we are still on track to receive a securitization order by the end of 2022 and bond proceeds in Q1 of 2023. Our Posey County solar asset was originally expected to be placed in service in the Q4 of 2023. The project is now anticipated to be placed in service in 2024 due to supply chain delays. Given this delay, the forecasted capital amount for 2023 on the electric side has been shifted to 2024.

Speaker 3

But as a reminder, we are able to begin recovery as soon as the plant is placed into service. To enhance the disclosures around our progress of our energy transition. We have also published our first task force on climate related finance disclosures report, which we committed to at our 2021 Analyst Day. As we continue to express, we take our commitment to be good stewards of your investment very seriously and realize our obligation to optimize stakeholder value. I'll now turn the call back over to Dave.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jason, and once again, congratulations. As you heard from us today, we have 10 straight quarters of meeting or exceeding expectations. We are a pure play regulated utility with industry leading

Speaker 1

Thank you, Dave. Operator, we are now ready to turn the call over to Q and A.

Operator

At this time, we will begin taking questions. The company's request that we when asking a question callers pick up their telephone handsets. Thank you. Our first question comes from Anthony Crodell With Mizuho, your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Thanks so much for taking my questions. Congratulations, Jason, and best of luck in a new position, and I guess your new team goes Strobes. Thanks, Anthony. David, if I could hit you with the first question, just Some insight or color into the CFO search. Are you looking internally to the utility sector externally?

Speaker 4

Just What's the ideal candidate? I have a CapEx question after that.

Speaker 2

Okay. No, I think this is going to be a really, really attractive Job for a CFO. So we're going to cast the net really, really wide, essentially across The whole public sphere in the U. S. And see what we can find.

Speaker 2

But as I said, I think it's going to be a great opportunity, a great job, And I expect that we're going to see some really good candidates.

Speaker 4

Great. And then on Slide 7, I just wanted to focus on The $3,000,000,000 of incremental opportunities, just if you give us some like structure and timing of that, is that something I can apply Maybe linear throughout the forecast period or back end loaded. Just any color you could give on that $3,000,000,000 And where we should be applying that

Speaker 5

to our forecast?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think the way to think about this is look at the track record that we've developed as a management team. I think we've done a pretty good job Identifying sort of incremental capital opportunities, finding a way to efficiently execute that, Funded and bring it in to our rate base at the right time. And this is really no different. Maybe it's a little bit bigger than the ones we've had in the But I think from a context standpoint, if you think back to our 1st Analyst Day, this is the 5th time That we've raised capital.

Speaker 2

If you go to our 2nd Analyst Day, this is the 3rd time that we raised capital. So I think we've got a pretty good track record of identifying and bringing this into not only execution And then rate base, but then earnings. And as we said a couple of times and hopefully, Jason sort of walk you Through the numbers, our guidance targets do not include any of the earnings from this. But I think the really important thing to focus on As we still continue to believe that we will have industry leading growth As we basically take on all the headwinds and the tailwinds that are thrown at us in this business. But I think Yes.

Speaker 2

Bottom line is think industry leading growth.

Speaker 4

If I could just squeeze one in for Jason. Jason, you talked about you pulled forward some O and M from 23 to 2022, and I think you mentioned maybe some vegetation management. Are you able to quantify how much O and M you pulled Forward to 2022? Anthony, I think about it as

Speaker 3

a couple of sense of pull forward work That we've incurred already and we continue to look to optimize our plan in the Q4. And I think this is just An incredible luxury that we have to continue to do more work on the system for the benefit of our customers as well as kind of giving us Additional flexibility as we enter 'twenty three from an earnings standpoint. So we're happy to continue to execute on it. We've incurred about $0.02 of that And still have some to go in the Q4.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. And David, the Strobes need to win, I don't know if we can handle a very successful Philly sports mindset.

Speaker 2

We're hoping for the best.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Steve Fleishman with Wolfe Research, your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Good morning. Hey, good morning. Good morning, Dave. Congrats, Jason. So just the $2,300,000,000 of CapEx that's in the plan, but not kind of In the earnings power, how should we I mean, I assume you're not going to spend that if you're not going to get it recovered.

Speaker 6

So it's just a matter of kind of Getting the certainty on the visibility of recovery to get that into the kind of earnings outlook instead of just earnings power?

Speaker 3

Thanks Steve for the question. And that's right. We wouldn't spend it if we didn't have full confidence that we'll earn on it. We continue to stress We've got great capital recovery mechanisms here across our jurisdictions that this is capital that Our customers are asking for. And so we have confidence that as we execute this work, we will fold it into a rate base and Earn on it.

Speaker 3

Really the fact that we haven't increased the long term EPS growth targets It's really a function of the point that I stressed in our prepared remarks. I mean, we are entering a period here in 2024 where we'll have several major rate cases, Houston Electric, Texas Gas, City and Electric among others. And I think it's just prudent for us. We've taken conservative assumptions as we approaches rate cases. But I think it's prudent for us to kind of get to the other side.

Speaker 3

I think the takeaway though is The capital we're deploying will flow into rate base. We have confidence in that and undoubtedly Enhances the long term earnings power of the company. I think the other thing just to point out beyond the capital From the standpoint of the long term earnings power of the company, I want to reemphasize what I shared in my prepared remarks. We've already prefunded a higher equity ratio at Houston Electric as well. And while we have not assumed that increase in the long term earnings growth rates that we provided, Should we be successful in achieving that higher equity ratio, that presents yet another tailwind without a financing overhang.

Speaker 3

And so I think we are just Continuing to put ourselves in a position to over deliver for our shareholders, our customers, and continue to enhance what is an already industry leading growth rate.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. That's helpful color. When you talked about kind of incremental CapEx Going back in the past, there was also a discussion of potential asset sales that could potentially help Funded and I think there's been more concern in the market just on asset sale values given just the financial Market conditions, higher rates. Could you just comment if anything's changed in the strategy on Asset sales and why maybe that's not discussed as part of this updated plan?

Speaker 3

Sure. Thanks for the question, Steve. No change in our strategy. Our strategy is to Finance our incremental capital as efficiently as possible. We are fortunate today as part of this CapEx update to have identified sources of funding that are more efficient than Incremental sales of utility assets.

Speaker 3

We've had a handful of Conservative assumptions around tax positions, which have all resolved themselves favorably for the company. As I said, we prefunded the equity ratio at Houston Electric. We will either have higher FFO coming out of that as a result of that higher equity ratio We can pull back and use the cash to fund the capital directly. And so I think we have That changed our approach to strategy. We just continue to find the most efficient sources of funding this incremental capital.

Speaker 3

More broadly to your point though, we have not Seeing a softening in the private demand for utility assets, as we've talked about extensively over the years. With Our previous communications, we still continue to receive pretty extensive outreach and interest. We just I've not, as I said, needed to take that approach because we continue to find other sources that are more efficient to fund the CapEx that we've announced today.

Speaker 6

Great. Very helpful. Thanks.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America.

Speaker 5

Hey, Jason, congratulations and good morning to the team. Thank you guys for the time. If I may, Of course, absolutely. If I may, just picking up on Steve's question there a little bit further here. Can you talk a little bit about when you get to a position to talk about That mid to high end of 6 to 8 here.

Speaker 5

I mean as you describe it, you're going to wait to the other side of these cases, which puts you perhaps in the later half of twenty twenty Or to give that update on the 'twenty five onwards outlook. And at the same time, if I can, During the pendency presumably of a CE case, presumably there might be additional lag given the lack of the tracker follow through. How do you think about the step up in 2025 earnings per given the additional CapEx as well as the related step up tied to Earnings from the cases, given the trajectory of 8% in 'twenty four and 6% to 8% in 'twenty five.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Julien, for the question. There's a lot there. Let me try to sort of unpack a handful of these items. I wouldn't ascribe an exact time Line to the update on the long term growth rates of the company sort of post these rate cases. As you said, we want to We want to resolve those cases constructively and favorably for all stakeholders.

Speaker 3

As we have With that certainty, we will provide an update. I think what I want to stress around this point though is We would not spend this capital if we didn't assume and have a high degree of confidence that it would be included in rate base. And As you model, as others model, I would look at enhancing and increasing the long term earnings power The company sort of post these rate cases. I think as it relates to kind of navigating a handful of these timelines, We have a fair degree of flexibility with respect to the capital trackers just given The multiple jurisdictions that we operate in, we will not have access to the capital trackers here in our Texas businesses while we're in those rate cases. So that does present a small amount of additional regulatory lag as we look to We have tried to get in front of that issue by accelerating additional capital here into 2023 that we will file for recovery for Sorry, here in 'twenty two that will file for recovery in 'twenty three and will be fully into the earnings power of the company in 'twenty four.

Speaker 3

We also have a fair degree of flexibility in Indiana Electric, Particularly with the generation transition, that will coincide with the timing of these rate cases. As you may recall there, as we bring Our renewable projects online, we can begin earning at the month they become operational. And so there is minimal, if Any regulatory lag with respect to the investments in Indiana Electric. And so we're sequencing these investments either Having accelerated, as I said, this year, we're balancing some of the chunkier projects over the next couple of years to sort of seamlessly work through The rate cases that are on the horizon, but the short of it is, again, we wouldn't spend this capital If we didn't believe and have confidence, we'd earn on it. And so, the takeaway should be this enhances the long term earning power of the company.

Speaker 5

Got it. Indeed, it does. And if I may, just going back to the here and now, if you will, Thanks for the additional details on the reduced variable rate debt year to date. You mentioned accelerating rate cases and offset. You talked about Timing of costs and accelerating some of those costs, what are the other mitigation opportunities at corporate or elsewhere frankly To dampen the impact of these higher financing costs to maintain, the EPS trajectory, which you obviously have, but what other latitude and levers might there exist?

Speaker 2

I would say, Julian, I think you hit on the cost side. I think the big one That we talked about that people sometimes forget about it as soon as we talk about it is our organic growth. I mean, we are spreading As we reduced our O and M, we're spreading a smaller amount of O and M across a larger rate base Or a larger customer base year after year after year, and that's just a luxury most other utilities don't have.

Speaker 5

Got you. Indeed. Excellent. Well, good luck and we'll see you soon. Congrats, Ken.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Cheers.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 6

Good morning, Jeremy. Good morning, Taylor.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking my question here. And just wanted to Build a little bit more, I guess, in Houston opportunity. And what milestones are you looking for from Houston to incorporate more of this $3,000,000,000 potential Incremental capital and just trying to get a feel for timing possibilities here.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks again for the question, Jeremy. I mean, A couple of points that I'll stress that Dave made in his prepared comments. We have had a history here now 5 times since our first Analyst Day, 3 times since our second Analyst Day of Increasing our CapEx, so hopefully we've built a track record that as we identify this capital that's in the best interest of our customers, we look To efficiently fold it in. I wouldn't again put a time line on it.

Speaker 3

What we're looking at is kind of balancing probably three factors: confidence in execution. We've been significantly increasing our CapEx over the last couple of years. We want to make sure that we have access to the materials, The crews and that we're putting away this capital effectively for our customers. And in fact, we always are cognizant of Where we are with respect to rate increases for our customers, and so we try to balance that over the plan. And then 3rd and finally, we look to finance The incremental capital efficiently for the benefit of our shareholders and investors.

Speaker 3

And so I wouldn't think about this as I'm not going to assign a specific time line. I wouldn't also look at this as a series of big chunky projects. This is sort of Additional routine spend that we will look to fold in when we have confidence on those three factors. And hopefully, we've earned the trust that we have a track record of doing so.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would just like to add, I think Jason did a great job sort of covering the And hit on the really important point at the end there. And then I hope That with all of you, we've developed the confidence. You have the confidence in us that we're always going to do the right thing at the right time, What's best for our customer and what's best for our investors. And I think you should think about this $3,000,000,000 in no other context than that.

Speaker 2

When we kind of identify it, we'll execute it, we'll get it in the rate base and it will help our customers.

Speaker 1

Operator, if you would please, we have time for one more call.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore. Your line is now open.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Thank you for taking my question. Jason, congrats.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Jaysh.

Speaker 8

Yes, absolutely. Just one quick question and then I'll follow-up for Jackie on the other one. Could you just give us what the pro form a variable debt amount would be for securitization proceeds for the dollar amount And then as a percentage of your total debt, please? Thank you.

Speaker 5

So the one point, it's

Speaker 3

for the Texas Securitization because we have 2 securitizations pending. The Texas Gas securitization, it's $1,100,000,000 of Incremental debt that we will pay down. And then we have the second securitization in Indiana, which is about another $360,000,000 in proceeds that we expect kind of at the end of the Q3. That will leave us with about 1,500,000,000 variable rate debt as we enter next year. Some of that, as I said, attributable to our Texas Gas businesses that we will file a rate case for in the middle of next year that helps reduce Any potential long term earnings drag from that higher level of interest costs that we'll see there.

Speaker 8

Awesome, dollars 1,500,000,000 Thanks so much guys. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 1

All right. Operator, thank you so much for the time today, everyone, for the call. This will conclude our call, and we look forward to seeing everyone at EEI.

Operator

This concludes CenterPoint Energy's 3rd quarter earnings conference call. Thank you for your participation.

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