Host Hotels & Resorts Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 16, 2023

Key Takeaways

  • For full-year 2022, Host delivered adjusted EBITDAre of $1.498 billion, with Q4 all-owned hotel EBITDA of $373 million (5% above Q4’19) and RevPAR of $197 (+60 bps vs Q4’19) driven by strong rates and expense efficiencies.
  • The company amended and restated its $2.5 billion credit facility at no pricing increase, added ESG-linked incentives, and ended Q4 with $2.4 billion of total liquidity, 2.4× net leverage and a 5.2-year weighted average debt maturity.
  • 2023 guidance assumes continued macro uncertainty, calling for comparable RevPAR growth of 2–8%, Q1 RevPAR up 24–27%, comparable EBITDA margins down 210–360 bps, and full-year adjusted EBITDAre of $1.46 billion at the midpoint.
  • Hurricane Ian reduced Q4 RevPAR growth by 220 bps, adjusted EBITDAre by $15 million and hotel EBITDA margin by 40 bps; property damage is estimated at $200–220 million with expected insurance recovery of ~$310 million.
  • Group and business transient demand remain resilient, with 400,000 group rooms booked for 2023 (group revenue pace down only 70 bps vs 2019), 2.9 million definite group room nights on the books (80% of 2022) and business transient revenue up 440 bps vs 2019 sequentially.
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Earnings Conference Call
Host Hotels & Resorts Q4 2022
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There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Jamie Marcus, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Before we begin, Please note that many of the comments made today are considered to be forward looking statements under federal securities laws. As described in our filings with the SEC, these statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause future results call to differ from those expressed, and we are not obligated to publicly update or revise these forward looking statements. Call. In addition, on today's call, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial information such as FFO, call, adjusted EBITDAre and hotel level results.

Speaker 1

You can find this information together with reconciliations call. We are now ready to take the most directly comparable GAAP information in yesterday's earnings press release, in our 8 ks filed with the SEC and in the supplemental financial information on our website at hosthotels.com. With me on today's call are Jim Rizzolia, President and Chief Executive Officer and Saurav Ghosh, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Jim.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jamie, and thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. We ended the year with strong operating improvements across our portfolio, call, driven by continued rate strength. For the full year 2022, we delivered adjusted EBITDAre of 1,000,000,000 of $498,000,000 all owned hotel EBITDA of $1,573,000,000 and all owned hotel RevPAR of $196 which helped us achieve the high end of our full year 2020 2 guidance range. During the Q4, we delivered adjusted EBITDAre of $364,000,000 and adjusted FFO per share of $0.44 Our all owned hotel EBITDA of $373,000,000 in the 4th quarter was 5% above 2019, driven by rate strength, out of room revenues and expense efficiencies resulting from operating improvements. All owned hotel RevPAR for the 4th quarter was approximately $197 a 60 basis point improvement over the Q4 of 2019.

Speaker 2

As a reminder, 4th quarter operations were impacted by Hurricane Ian, yet RevPAR, all owned hotel EBITDA and EBITDA margins still exceeded 2019 levels for the 3rd consecutive quarter since the onset of the pandemic. All owned hotel revenues in the 4th quarter were up 1.1% over the Q4 of 2019, while all owned hotel operating expenses were down 40 basis points. In addition to delivering and strong operating improvements over the course of 2022, we continued to be recognized as a global leader in corporate responsibility. While we work toward achieving our 2025 environmental and social targets, we introduced our 2,050 vision of becoming a net positive company, which is detailed in our 2022 Corporate Responsibility Report. We now have a total of 10 LEED certified properties, including 3 LEED Gold Hotels plus our corporate headquarters.

Speaker 2

In addition, we were named to the Dow Jones Sustainability Index World, which recognizes global sustainability leaders across all industries for the 4th consecutive year and we were included in the DJSI North America for the 6th consecutive year. Additionally, we were once again included among the world's most sustainable companies in S and P's Global Sustainability Yearbook and name 1 of America's most responsible companies by Newsweek. Subsequent to quarter end, We amended and restated our existing $2,500,000,000 credit facility to further enhance the strength and flexibility of our balance sheet. The agreement reflects no increase in pricing and incorporates our industry leading commitment to ESG by adding incentives linked to portfolio sustainability initiatives, including green building certifications and renewable energy consumption. On the capital allocation front, during the Q4, we repurchased 1,700,000,000 shares at an average price of $15.93 per share through our common share repurchase program, bringing our total repurchases for the quarter to $27,000,000 We have approximately $973,000,000 our remaining capacity under the repurchase program.

Speaker 2

While macroeconomic headwinds continue to dominate the headlines, We remain optimistic about the state of travel for several reasons. First, although leisure rates are moderating, they remain well above 2019 levels. For context, transient rates at our resorts were 52% above 2019 in the Q4 compared to 64% in the 3rd quarter. 2nd, in the 4th quarter, we booked 400,000 group rooms for 2023 and total group revenue pace is down only 70 basis points to the same time 2019. 3rd, while business transient demand has been uneven, revenue driven by this segment improved 440 basis points compared to 2019 on a quarterly sequential basis.

Speaker 2

Small and medium sized businesses are driving the business transient recovery, and they represent a larger share of our corporate demand today. According to American Express Global Business Travel, transactions by this segment reached 80% of pre pandemic levels in the 3rd quarter. Our recent acquisitions continue to contribute to our outperformance and are substantially ahead of our underwriting expectations. Based on full year 2022 results, EBITDA from the 7 hotels we acquired in 2021 put us at the bottom end of our targeted range of 10 to 12 times EBITDA, well ahead of our planned stabilization period. Looking back on our transaction activity since 2018, we have acquired $3,500,000,000 of assets at a 13.7x EBITDA multiple and disposed of $4,900,000,000 of assets at a 17x EBITDA multiple, including $954,000,000 of estimated foregone capital expenditures.

Speaker 2

It is worth noting that this quarter, We moved the 2017 comparison of our all owned hotel results from 2019 to 2022, as our 2022 results reflect more normalized operations. Comparing all owned hotel 2022 results for our current portfolio to 2017. We have increased the RevPAR of our assets by 9%, the Treadpar by 15%, the EBITDA per key by 31% and avoided considerable business disruption associated with capital projects. Moving back to 4th quarter operations and starting with a hurricane update. We estimate that hurricane Ian impacted our 4th quarter RevPAR growth by 2 20 basis points, our adjusted EBITDAre by $15,000,000 and our all owned hotel EBITDA margin by 40 basis points.

Speaker 2

On a full year basis, that translates to an all owned hotel RevPAR impact of 60 basis points and all owned hotel EBITDA impact of $18,000,000 and an all owned hotel EBITDA margin impact of 10 basis points. As a reminder, the Hyatt Regency Coconut Point opened in November, and we expect to reopen the remaining pool facilities and water park in June. The Ritz Carlton Naples remains closed, and we are targeting a phased reopening strategy beginning this summer. Reconstruction at the Ritz Carlton will enhance the resilience of the property by elevating critical equipment, introducing dry flood proofing measures and replacing major equipment with more efficient machinery. In addition, while the hotel is closed, we are avoiding future disruption by executing planned capital projects that would have otherwise impacted operations.

Speaker 2

While we are still evaluating the total financial impacts of the storm, We currently estimate the total property damage and remediation costs for all impacted properties in Florida to be between $200,000,000 $220,000,000 We are insured for $325,000,000 per name windstorm with a $15,000,000 deductible, resulting in potential insurance recovery of approximately $310,000,000 for covered costs. Based on our current reopening plans for Ritz Carlton Naples, we believe our insurance coverage is sufficient to cover substantially all the property damage as well as the near term loss of business. Thus far, this year, we have received approximately $50,000,000 of insurance proceeds related to our claims. Continuing with 4th quarter results. Transient revenue was up 60 basis points compared to the Q4 of 2019, with strong rate increases making up for the volume shortfall resulting from lower business transient demand, light cancellations during the holidays, cold weather in Florida and hurricane displacement at Hyatt Coconut Point in Ritz Carlton, Naples.

Speaker 2

Revenue growth was driven by Orlando, Phoenix and Hawaii, which offset declines in San Francisco and the Florida Gulf Coast. Our resort properties continue to outperform with 13% transient rate growth over 2021. In the Q4, we had 6 resorts with transient rates above $1,000 led by the Four Seasons Shacks in whole at over $2,200 and the Four Seasons Orlando at close to $2,000 Turning to group, this is the 2nd consecutive quarter group revenue exceeded 2019, driven by 10% rate growth. In the Q4, our hotels sold 954,000 group rooms, bringing our total group room nights sold for 2022 to $3,800,000 which represents approximately 84% of 2019 actual group room nights. Total group revenue for 2022 was down just 11% to 2019 as 6% rate growth and banquet contribution helped offset lower demand.

Speaker 2

For 2023, We currently have 2,900,000 definite group room nights on the books, which represents 80% of full year 2022 group room nights. This compares to 71% on the books at the same time last year for 2022, representing a 9 point improvement. Group rate on the books for 2023 is up nearly 6% to the same time last year, a 140 basis point increase since the Q3. In addition, group revenue pace is up approximately 17% to the same time last year. We are very encouraged by the large group base we have on the books, particularly given short term booking trends.

Speaker 2

Jirav will discuss more operational detail in our 2023 outlook in a few minutes. In addition to delivering operational improvements, we continue to execute on our 3 strategic objectives, call, all of which are aimed at elevating the EBITDA growth profile of our portfolio. As a reminder, Our objectives include redefining the hotel operating model with our managers, gaining market share at hotels through comprehensive renovations and strategically allocating capital to development ROI projects. As it relates to our first strategic objective, It is important to note that we have achieved the bulk of the $100,000,000 to $150,000,000 of expense savings associated with redefining the operating model. In order to achieve the high end of the range, we will need to get back to 2019 business volumes.

Speaker 2

And as of the Q4, occupancy was still 10 points below the Q4 of 2019. Turning to portfolio reinvestment. Our 20 23 capital expenditure guidance range is $600,000,000 to $725,000,000 which reflects approximately $275,000,000 of investment for redevelopment, repositioning and ROI projects. The projects include a transformational renovation of the Fairmont Kehlani, the Phoenician Canyon Suites Villa expansion and completing construction at the tower expansion, guest room renovation and lobby transformation at Ritz Carlton Naples, which was delayed by Hurricane Ian. To date, we have completed 14 out of 16 assets in our Marriott transformational capital program and we will complete the San Diego Marriott Marquis by the end of this month.

Speaker 2

The final property, the Washington Marriott and Metro Center is underway and we expect it to be completed in May. It is worth noting that actual 2022 capital expenditures came in at the low end of our guidance range. As such, the midpoint of our 2023 range is 100 $3,000,000 higher than last year, which is driven by carryover capital and an estimated 100 to $125,000,000 of capital expenditures related to hurricane restoration work, which we expect to be reimbursed by insurance claims. To conclude my remarks, we are extremely proud of the results we achieved in 2022 and we are confident that the quality of our portfolio, Our ability to reinvest in our assets and our fortress balance sheet will allow us to continue our strong performance in 2023. With that, I will now turn the call over to Saurabh.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Building on Jim's comments, I will go into detail on our Q4 operations, full year 2023 guidance and our balance sheet. Starting with business mix, overall transient revenue was up 60 basis points to the Q4 of 2019, driven by 22% rate growth. Thanksgiving and the festive season saw RevPAR growth of 5% and 6% over 2019, respectively, conference call, driven by rate growth of over 30% for both periods. Despite impacts from flight cancellations and cold weather in Florida during the festive season, Occupancy continued to increase sequentially each holiday.

Speaker 3

Looking ahead, holidays in the Q1 of 2023 are shaping up well. Martin Luther King, Jr. Weekend achieved a revenue that was 22% above last year driven by occupancy. Conference call. Presidents Day and Spring Break both have revenue pace ahead of 2022.

Speaker 3

Business transient revenue was down 18% to the Q4 of 2019, driven by 2% rate growth. This is a meaningful improvement from the start of 2022 when business transient revenue was down 48% to the Q1 of 2019. As we have discussed previously, properties are targeting high single digit business transient rate growth in 2023. During the Q4, business transient demand was in line with pre pandemic monthly seasonality and was driven by San Francisco, Washington, D. C.

Speaker 3

And New York, with New York just 5% behind 2019. Turning to group, this marks the 2nd quarter that revenue has surpassed 2019 levels. Group room revenues were 2% above the Q4 of 2019 driven by 10% rate growth. While overall group room demand was was down 8% to 2019, properties in New York and Phoenix achieved group demand above 2019 levels. The short term booking trend continued with in the quarter, for the quarter group rooms sold up 21% over the Q4 of 2019.

Speaker 3

The majority of the rooms booked were in Washington DC, San Diego, San Francisco and New York. Corporate Group revenue was up 6% in the quarter, surpassing 2019 for the Q2 in a row, driven by a 14% rate increase. Outperformance was driven by hotels in Orlando, Phoenix, Maui, New York and New Orleans. All 3 months in the quarter had corporate group revenue ahead of 2019 driven by rate and revenue was up substantially at both convention and resort properties. Association Group revenue was down 16% in the 4th quarter compared to 2019 despite rate growth of over 7%.

Speaker 3

The revenue decline was driven by volume losses in San Francisco, Boston and New Orleans. However, San Diego, New York and Phoenix had Association Group demand ahead of 2019 levels. While Association revenue was down In the Q4, we saw meaningful pickup in booking activity for future years in the month of December. Additionally, rates compared to 2019 improved sequentially each month in the quarter from up 3% in October to up 15% in December. Wrapping up on group with social, military, educational, religious and fraternal or SMURF groups, Revenue was up 29% over 2019, driven equally by a 14% increase in rooms sold and a 13% increase in rates.

Speaker 3

Sports teams and weddings drove increases in Washington D. C, Los Angeles and New Orleans. Shifting gears to margins and expenses, our 4th quarter all owned hotel EBITDA margin came in at 29.5%, which is 110 basis points better than the Q4 of 2019. We attribute the margin expansion to strong rates and increased out of room revenues combined with operating model expense efficiencies despite the fact that Hurricane Ian negatively impacted margins by 40 basis points in the 4th quarter. As expected, The margin gap to 2019 narrowed relative to prior quarters due to continued inflationary pressures and more normalized staffing levels at our hotels.

Speaker 3

Our efforts to redefine the operating model continue to yield positive results even with occupancy still meaningfully below 2019 levels and elevated pressure on wage rates, which ended the year up 5% on a year over year basis. As detailed in our earnings release, Moving forward, we will cease presentation of all owned hotel results and return to a comparable presentation for our hotel level results. We believe this will provide investors with better understanding of underlying growth trends for our current portfolio without impacts from properties that experience closures lasting 1 month or longer due to reservations or property damage. We have removed Hyatt, Regency Coconut Point and the Ritz Carlton Maples from our comparable operations in our full year 2023 forecast due to closures caused by Hurricane Ian. Turning to our outlook for 2023, current macroeconomic headwinds and the potential for an economic slowdown are competing with the lodging recovery.

Speaker 3

That said, we continue to be optimistic about the future of travel. Our performance this year will depend on our ability to maintain high rated business at our resorts and the continued improvement of group, business transient and international inbound travel. Given the significant macroeconomic uncertainty in the second half of twenty twenty three, We have provided a wider guidance range than normal, which assumes a slowdown in the second half of the year. The low end contemplates a severe slowdown, while the high end assumes a mild one. For the Q1, we expect RevPAR growth to be between 24% 27% as a result of easier comparisons due to Omicron, which is expected to bolster full year growth.

Speaker 3

For the remaining three quarters, we expect year over year RevPAR changes to be down low single digits at the low end of our guidance range to up low single digits at the high end of our range. Looking ahead to recent trends, Preliminary January comparable hotel RevPAR is expected to be approximately $184 a 67% increase over January 20 22 and a 3.5% increase over January 2019. Taken together for the full year, We anticipate comparable RevPAR growth of between 2% 8% over 2022. Additionally, staffing levels are closer to stable and hotel operating costs are expected to increase in comparison to 2022. As a result, we expect comparable EBITDA margins to be down 360 basis points year over year at the low end of our guidance to down 210 basis points at the high end.

Speaker 3

Though we expect comparable hotel EBITDA margins to be down year over year, we expect margins in 2023 to be only slightly down to 2019 despite lagging occupancy and 4 years of inflationary pressures. This reflects our efforts to transform the portfolio and evolve the hotel operating model. It is particularly impressive when you Consider that our total expense CAGR since 2019 is only 1.1% versus the core CPI CAGR of call at 4.1%. The margin decline year over year is driven by closer to stable staffing levels at our hotels, higher utility and insurance expenses, lower attrition and cancellation fees, which totaled approximately $100,000,000 in 2022 and occupancy below 2019 levels. As we noted throughout last year, 2022 margins were not is sustainable, particularly when you consider the limited services provided at many of our hotels in the first half of the year, call, the staffing lag and the elevated inflationary pressures.

Speaker 3

At the midpoint of our guidance range, We anticipate comparable RevPAR growth of 5% compared to 2022, a comparable hotel EBITDA margin of 29% and full year adjusted EBITDAre of $1,460,100,000 Our 2023 Full year adjusted EBITDAre includes an expected $11,000,000 contribution from Hyatt Coconut Point and the Ritz Carlton Naples, which are excluded from our comparable hotel set. The pre hurricane Estimated contribution from these two hotels, including the new tower at Naples, was expected to be an additional 71,000,000 dollars in 2023. It is important to note that we have not included the business interruption proceeds from Hurricane Ian in our 2023 guidance. In 2023, we expect wage rates to increase 5%. In the aggregate, from 2019 through 2023, we expect wage rates and utilities to increase 20% and insurance to increase approximately 100%.

Speaker 3

In 2023, we also expect attrition and cancellation fees to revert to historical levels. For context, in 2019, wages and benefits comprised approximately 50% of call. Our total comparable expenses, utilities and insurance comprise approximately 5%, attrition and cancellation fees were $50,000,000 and occupancy is still 10 points below 2019 as of the Q4 of 2022. Turning to our balance sheet and liquidity position, our weighted average maturity is 5.2 years at a weighted at an average interest rate of 4.4 percent and we have no significant maturities until April 2024. As of today's call, we have $2,400,000,000 in total available liquidity, which includes $200,000,000 of SS and E reserves and full availability of our $1,500,000,000 credit facility.

Speaker 3

We ended 2022 at 2.4 times net leverage And since our last call, both S and P and Fitch have revised our issuer outlooks to positive from stable. Wrapping up, in January, we paid a quarterly cash dividend of $0.32 per share, which included a $0.20 special dividend. The Board of Directors authorized a regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.12 on our common stock to be paid on April 17, 2023 to stockholders of record as of March 31, 2023. All future dividends are subject to approval by the company's Board of Directors, though we expect to be able to maintain our quarterly dividend at a sustainable level taking into consideration potential macroeconomic factors. To conclude, we believe our portfolio, our balance sheet and our team are well positioned to continue outperforming and we will continue to be strategic in the current macroeconomic environment.

Speaker 3

With that, we would be happy to take your questions. To ensure we have time to address as many questions as possible, please limit yourself to one question.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we are conducting a question and answer We ask you to limit your questions to 1.1 while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Smedes Rose with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hi, good morning. I appreciate you guys are providing a range for the year that incorporates a wide range of macroeconomic outlook. And I'm just Curious, what are you specifically seeing in your business, if anything, that would suggest a slowdown in the back half of the year, either on the group side or what Good morning, Smedes. At this point in time, we're not seeing any signs of weakness in any business segment. Our group pace is performing exceptionally well.

Speaker 2

I mean, 2022, we ended up, I think, with 3,800,000 group room nights on the at the end of the year, which was 84% of 2019 actual, rate was up 6% to 2019. 2023, we're very encouraged about how group is set up. We have 2,900,000 definite room nights on the books. That's a 400,000 room night increase since quarter 3. That equates to 80% of 2022 actual room nights.

Speaker 2

At the same time last year, we were at 71%. So we picked up 9 points. And the other really encouraging thing is that total group revenue pace is up, I think 17%

Speaker 3

at the

Speaker 2

same time last year. So group is really set up well. And if you go back and look at how we're set up relative to 2019, we're only down 70 basis points in total revenue pace. So The short term nature of the bookings is expected to continue. And as a result of the solid base that we have on the books, we're encouraged with how group will likely perform this year.

Speaker 2

So no indication of any slowdown there. I think your other question was related to business transient. We continue to see improvements in BT. I think BT is going to evolve over time. BT room nights were down in quarter 4, I think about 20% to quarter 4 of 2019, But we saw a pickup in bookings from Q3 of about 500 basis points.

Speaker 2

So Business transient revenue was down 18% due to an improvement in rate, again, but up from where we were in Q3. So special corporate, the encouraging piece on the business transient side is we expect To see high single digit rate increases that is going to hold. In January, very strong months for business transient demand. It was the best in the month for the month pickup by our top accounts. So no signs of weakness in the business transient front at all.

Speaker 2

And one thing I would point out, I think Saurabh mentioned it in his comments, very encouraging that New York City is only 5% below where it was in 2019. So no signs of weakness. We thought it was prudent to give a range given the uncertainty on the macroeconomic front that exists today.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Anthony Powell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning. I guess a follow-up to that prior question. I mean, if you were to build a bottoms up guidance range for 2Q through 4Q, I guess how many percentage points would you be adding to that midpoint and what does that mean for imply rather for

Speaker 3

Hey, Anthony. Let me start off by saying sort of what I said in my prepared remarks is the second half of the year for us in our guidance assumes some sort of a slowdown, whether it's at the low end, which is would be a severe slowdown or the high end, which is a mild slowdown. Our midpoint is effectively a moderate slowdown. The way we are thinking about it when you look at our guidance is the second half, I'll sort of go through each segment. From a group perspective, we are assuming that the second half will only see about half the group room night pickup in the year for the year compared to 2022.

Speaker 3

And as you may recall, 2022 had meaningful in the year for the year pickup. And as I said in my prepared remarks, in the Q4 alone, we had 21% more pickup in the month in the quarter for the quarter. So in other words, the anticipation is if there is a slowdown, you would have less in the year for the year pickup. That's on the group side. The rates obviously in the group side are locked in, so that's a positive.

Speaker 3

On the transient side, we expect Hotels, but our resorts somewhat flat to maybe slightly down depending on the market. So overall, transient rates and occupancy to be about flattish for the second half. And so when you really think about our guidance for the full year, our occupancy ends up being up a couple of points and rate effectively flattish. And again, all this is tied to the midpoint. When you think about sort of our margin performance quarter by quarter, reality is the distribution of EBITDA that we saw in 2019 is going to be very what we are expecting very similar in 2023.

Speaker 3

So in In 2019, we had, I think it was about 27% or so of our EBITDA came from Q1, about 29% from Q2, 20% from Q3 and 24% from Q4, very similar sort of cadence is what we are expecting from 2023.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Jim, I wanted to go back to Something you touched on in your comment and just make sure we're clear about it. You talked about some of the hotels you bought that are I think you said currently run rating about 10 or 12 times EBITDA based on sort of what you paid. Could you just go back to those circumstances and talk about if we found ourselves at a 2019 normalized environment Where those multiples or cap rates would be?

Speaker 2

Well, we don't expect to get back to 20 2019 levels of rate or performance at these properties, David. We are very confident that The rates that the hotels are able to charge today are for the most Part sustainable, there might be a little bit of a pullback, but we did message when we bought each property what the EBITDA multiple was based on 2019 numbers and what the cap rate was. And I can't tell you how pleased we are with the performance of these properties over the last several years. So, we feel very confident that we're going to be able to Maintain close to maintain the current rates that we're getting today, Subject to there being a very severe downturn that's affecting the consumer. We're just not seeing it today.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Chris Darling with Green Street. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Good morning. Can you provide an update on 23 Group call across some of your larger group focused markets. So thinking specifically about San Francisco, New York, Orlando and then maybe any other data points that might be helpful as well. Sure.

Speaker 3

So in terms of group pace for our Some of our larger markets, what's trending really well, and I would say like effectively what we have on the books For 2023, 50% over 50% are from markets, which are San Diego, Orlando, DC, San Antonio and San Francisco. So whatever we have on the books for 2023, over 50% off from Those markets. And when we're looking at sort of citywide data, we are at about 80% of 2019 levels as it relates to citywide. And the markets that are above that threshold are Boston, San Antonio, San Diego, Atlanta, Chicago, and the ones which are sort of below that threshold are, yes, Philadelphia, Seattle and certainly San Francisco, and I would say New Orleans.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, guys. Jim, it's a bit of a hypothetical question, but obviously, there's a lot of talk about getting back to prior or not maybe not peak occupancy levels, but still having a lot of occupancy to recover with group and a little bit of corporate, but that with the mix effect that may come at the expense of rate. So the question would be, is there and I know you don't solve for any one metric. Is it reasonable to think that some of the more price sensitive business and no opaque business, things like that, You have your operators essentially intentionally keep that out of the business as we go forward and that we are Structurally lower, but higher rate. Is that a decent way to think about it?

Speaker 2

Chris, I'd say it a little differently. It's easy to buy occupancy in certain markets at certain hotels. We don't think that's the right revenue management strategy. We believe that given the flow through you get to EBITDA from rate increases relative to occupancy increases, which is about 80% for 60% for rate, 40% for occupancy, that Every dollar and rate is worth more money. We continue to see occupancy evolve, but we're going to Continue to hold rate at high levels and continue to increase rates.

Speaker 2

I think we're encouraged in particular by Group rate that we've been able to achieve that's locked in with definites on the books, up sequentially quarter over quarter and for 2023, looking pretty positive for us as well as the growth in business transient rate as well. The total group revenue pace for 2023 is up 17% to the same time last year. So and down only 70 basis points to 2019, that's very encouraging to us. So That's the strategy that we intend to employ going forward, and we are In favor as a general statement of cutting rates of bio occupancy.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks. If we go back in time to the structural margin improvement commentary, Your view of the world maybe back in Q3 of last year, what has been the biggest change or biggest I apologize you since the fall. And then maybe just as a follow-up, while I have you, has your forward visibility into 2Q changed year over year. Maybe you can contrast where you stand today on 2Q versus this time last year And what the rates on those forward bookings look like? Thank you for taking the questions.

Speaker 3

Sure. So I'll start with The second half of your question first. In terms of rates, we are positively We feel very good about sort of the rates into Q2 and the rest of the year, what we have on the books. And as Jim mentioned, our group rate is up 6%. We expect business transient rates call to be up in the high single digits.

Speaker 3

In terms of actual demand, it is still very short term booking. And that goes to my remarks of sort of the short from pickup that we are expecting. We saw in the 4th quarter meaningful in the quarter for the quarter pickup. That seems to continue. So while we We do have a meaningful amount of group on the books.

Speaker 3

We are still expecting a significant amount of pickup In the Q1 for the Q1 and the same thing in the Q2. So from a visibility standpoint, I wouldn't say it's incremental, maybe slightly more incremental relative to Q4. As it relates to Our operating model changes. What I do want to point out is we had said the $100,000,000 to $150,000,000 of savings relative to 2019, Those expense savings, we have achieved the bulk of those savings. And frankly, the balance of it is really going to be driven by occupancy coming back.

Speaker 3

We are still, as Jim mentioned, 10 points off of 2019 from an occupancy perspective. And I would say with every point of occupancy gain, that would equate to roughly 30 to 40 bps of margin gain. So that is pretty meaningful when you think about it. So if we get back to sort of 2019 occupancy levels, you're looking at anywhere from 300 to 400 basis points of margin improvement. And one of the things I would like to highlight is when you look at our expenses, specifically to 100,000,000 to 150,000,000 And you compare that really to 2019, our F and B revenues are down for 2023 to the midpoint relative to 19, 1.5 percent, but our expenses were actually down 2%.

Speaker 3

So it shows that all the operating model changes and a big Piece of it was in food and beverage, has made a huge difference. Sales and marketing expense relative to 2019 For 2023, again to the midpoint, we'll be down less than 1%. So again, when you're comparing sort of the margin performance to 2019, it really tells the story. And like I said, we'll be only slightly down at the midpoint. And of course, at the higher end of the guidance, we'd actually be above 2019.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Ari line with BMO. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Maybe following up on the margin question, what's the wherewithal to cut expenses, if the macro is a little bit more difficult than you anticipate, given some of the labor challenges that we've had over the last Sorry, I was on mute. Apologies. So I'm assuming you're talking about what if any sort of wage pullback we can have if there is a slowdown in the second half. And the reality is, I think we now have a playbook going through COVID as to what would need to happen if there is slowdown and that is really a playbook department by department.

Speaker 3

So we feel very confident that if there is a slowdown, the changes that we would actually have to make If we are in that situation and whether that's modifying hours of operations or Driving efficiencies in any single department. So we are going to be well prepared for that. Got it. And then just on the balance sheet, can you update us on your priorities and how you're thinking about acquisitions, dispositions and underwriting in an admittedly for more uncertain macro?

Speaker 2

Sure. As we sit here today, we are in a very strong position. And given the balance sheet that we have, we will be well positioned regardless of what happens over the course of the year. As you see from our CapEx guidance this year, we're going to continue to invest in our portfolio. Just for point of reference, over the course of 2020 through 2022, we invested $1,500,000,000 in our assets, which is really a distinguishing factor that sets us apart from other lodging REITs.

Speaker 2

We're well positioned to outperform going forward and we will continue to pursue ROI projects such as a complete transformation of the Fairmont Kivani and an expansion at the Canyon Suites at the Venetian and the completion of our repositioning and new tower at the Ritz Carlton in Naples. So we will continue to look for opportunities to deploy capital in our assets. Those underwrite generally to low to mid cash on cash returns, unlevered cash on cash returns. So we think that's a very good place to put capital. On the acquisition front, There are a number

Speaker 6

of properties

Speaker 2

in the market right now that we are evaluating. I would just say that the bid ask spread hasn't come to the middle yet. So For the near term, we're not anticipating when I say near term, I'm talking about the next 60 to 90 days, not anticipating Acquiring any asset that could change, I just point out that the 4 Seasons Shacks in whole was roughly a 30 day process for us, which puts us In a really strong position because we are the only player out there that can really do meaningful transaction all cash. As we sit back and look at how the year might evolve, Ari, we're tracking all the CMBS loan maturities for 2023, 2024. We will see if certain owners are in position where they're going to have to sell the asset, just given the current interest rate environment relative to where the environment was when they put their current debt financing in place and the fact that their asset is likely to need significant CapEx because they haven't been able to invest over the course of the pandemic.

Speaker 2

And I think you can see us as the year evolves, assuming the stress presents itself, investing across markets that are different than markets that we invested in, in 2021 2022.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. I was actually going to ask you about your acquisition plans. And I think you answered most of that question already, but I'm kind of intrigued by your last comment about Investing in different markets than you did in the last 2 years. And just wondering if that means more sort of Urban rather than resort markets or kind of what that might mean.

Speaker 8

And then if I could just ask a clarification. When you were talking about your revenue pace, Group revenue pace being down about 70 bps to 2018. But I guess rate, it sounds like is up high single digits. So number of group nights, Are you anticipating being down around that sort of high single digit rate relative to 2019? Or do you in other words, I'm just Curious what you're factoring into guidance in terms of when group you think might make a full recovery in terms of room nights and transient nights as well.

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure, Robin. I'll take the part of your question related to The investment market. I think as you think about how we have been deploying capital Over the last 6 years or so, everything we've done has been to elevate the EBITDA growth profile of the company. And When I say that we're going to be open minded and look at other markets, It's really transaction dependent and whether or not we think we can create value and what we can do with the underlying EBITDA growth of that asset going forward. So I Said differently, I don't think there's a market in the country that has a red line through it, subject to all of the underwriting criteria that we employ when we evaluate a particular hotel.

Speaker 2

So Rob, you want to touch base on the group?

Speaker 3

Sure. Robin, on the group side, yes, you're right. It's effectively on the group room nights. We are pacing in the sort of the high Single digits below 2019, the expectation right now at the midpoint again is We would get to about around 90% of our group room nights levels relative to 2019. But of course, remember, like I said, that assumes that we only pick up effectively half the amount of group room nights in the year for the year for the second half.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jay Kornreich with SMBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning. As it looks like the 2023 outlook you provided excludes any contribution from the Hurricane Ian impacted hotels, I I believe you mentioned a $71,000,000 EBITDA shortfall. I'm curious as we see those assets coming back online throughout 2023, if that provides an Upside opportunity to the guidance range and if there's anything else you have your eye on beside the possible recession that could surprise to the upside or I guess the downside?

Speaker 2

Well, Jay, I think it's important to really highlight that the assets affected by Hurricane Ian, we're anticipated to generate $82,000,000 in EBITDA in 2023. We have $11,000,000 in our guidance to the midpoint. So there's a $71,000,000 gap that is Any business interruption proceeds in our guidance, so if we were to get Business interruption proceeds over the course of 2023, that is upside going forward. So we think that, that is likely to occur later in 2023 and into 2024. But I do want to point out that $71,000,000 is a significant amount of EBITDA that is going to impact 1 year.

Speaker 2

It's just this year because we're very Excited about the performance of the Ritz Carlton for full year 2024. The property will be completely transformed. The new tower will be open. We've added 24 rooms materially increased the suite count of that asset and made a number of other enhancements. So, the 1 year of disruption from Hurricane Ian has cost us a significant amount for 2023.

Speaker 9

Thanks. Maybe just to clarify that the $11,000,000 that you expect in 2023, could that be looked at as a conservative estimate or is that Is that what you expect even as both hotels open up for us during the year?

Speaker 2

I think it's what we expect at this point in time.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Floris Van Duijken with Compass Point. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking my question. A little bit of a mixed message here. Obviously, you've got group pace ahead, Very strong results last quarter. If I look, RevPAR expectations in the Q1 are up, call it 24% to 27%, call it 25%, pretty strong yet even with If we

Speaker 3

were to

Speaker 10

include your business interruption insurance, which again you have that insurance, presumably you're going to get that $71,000,000 of missing EBITDA from Naples, you're looking at flat EBITDA growth based on your consensus. Can you maybe provide any sort of historical context where occupancy in your portfolio is trending higher on a longer term basis and your rates and your margins are down or your EBITDA is going down?

Speaker 3

Sorry, are you asking historically if you have seen occupancy go up and margins Yodhan, I think the way to think about it, Flores, as sort of I have said, relative to 'nineteen, right, We actually if we see occupancy go up, we would actually expect margin performance to from where the occupancy stands as of today. I think that's where the upside is. The reality is we don't have visibility into the second half of the year. Therefore, our assumptions are, I think reasonable at this time with the data that we have available right now. And when you look at the top end of the guidance, actually, the margins are up relative to 2019.

Speaker 3

So it really depends on where things shape up for the second half and what kind of in the year for the year pickup we see in group. And then you have to remember business investment, so Nonresidential fixed investment, you're looking at only a 70 basis points growth for the year. What we can expect, it's very difficult to predict at this point for the second half. It's our guidance range is based on the best available data we have today.

Speaker 2

Yes. Florence, the one thing I would add is over the course of 2022, For the second and third quarter call, we were very clear that the margin performance we were seeing was not sustainable. And it wasn't sustainable for a lot of reasons. We were not at optimal staffing levels. We had A number of hotels where full services were not being offered to customers, restaurants were closed, Club lounges were closed and we feel that the proper comparison for margins is 2019.

Speaker 2

And at 2019 levels, even down 10 basis points, We're only down 57 basis points in margin. And just to reiterate, we have had seen a 4.1% inflation CAGR, CPI CAGR and our expenses have only gone up 1.1%. So we actually feel that were positioned very well. And as Saurabh pointed out, every point in occupancy that we get is going to equate to 30 basis points to 40 basis

Operator

Thank you. With an eye on the time, I will hand it back to Mr. Rizzolio for any closing comments you wish to make.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much. I would like to thank everyone for joining us on our Q4 call today. We appreciate the opportunity to discuss our quarterly results with you, and we look forward to meeting with many of you in the coming weeks months. Thank you for your continued support and have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day and we thank you for your participation.

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