Sherwin-Williams Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Sherwin-Williams delivered mid-single-digit net sales growth in Q2, beating expectations in all segments and expanding gross margin on strong Paint Stores volume and moderating raw material costs.
  • The company raised its full-year guidance to $9.30–$9.70 in adjusted EPS, reflecting 14.5% growth at the midpoint, and now expects low-single-digit sales growth with volume down low-single-digits.
  • Paint Stores Group sales jumped 10% in Q2 with a 280 bp margin expansion driven by Protective & Marine and commercial markets, though new residential starts remain challenging.
  • Raw material costs are now forecast to decline mid- to high-single-digits in 2023, while SG&A will rise high-single to low-double digits to fund long-term growth initiatives.
  • Consumer Brands sales grew 5.1% on pricing, and Performance Coatings sales were roughly flat as low-single-digit volume declines were offset by mid-single-digit price gains, with margins near target.
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Earnings Conference Call
Sherwin-Williams Q2 2023
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There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for joining the Sherwin Williams Company review of Second Quarter 2023 results and our outlook for the Q3 and full year of 2023. This conference call is being webcast simultaneously in listen only mode by Issuer Direct via the Internet at www.sherwin.com. An archived replay of this webcast will be available at www.sherwin.com beginning approximately 2 hours after this conference call concludes. This conference call will include certain forward looking statements as defined under the U.

Operator

S. Federal securities laws with respect to sales, earnings and other matters. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of the date on which such statement is made, and the company undertakes no obligation to or revise any forward looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. A full declaration regarding forward looking statements is provided in the company's earnings release transmitted earlier this morning. After the company's prepared remarks, we will open the session to questions.

Operator

I will now turn the call over to Jim Jay, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good morning to everyone. Joining me on the call today are John Marikis, Chairman and CEO Heidi Petz, President and Chief Operating Officer Al Mistyshin, Chief Financial Officer and Jane Cronin, Senior Vice President of Enterprise Finance. Sherwin Williams delivered excellent second quarter results compared to the same period a year ago. These results, coupled with a similar strong performance in the Q1, led to an excellent first half that exceeded the expectations we laid out back in January. Given the strong first half and current visibility into our second half, We are significantly increasing our full year guidance, which John will talk about in just a few minutes.

Speaker 1

But first, let me touch on a few second quarter highlights. Consolidated net sales in the quarter exceeded our expectations and grew by a mid single digit percentage. Sales in all three reportable segments came in above our guided range. Gross margin significantly improved sequentially and year over year, driven by strong volume in the paint stores group and moderating raw material costs. Pricing discipline remains strong.

Speaker 1

SG and A expense increased over the prior year quarter, though the year over year percentage increase was lower than that of our Q1. Excluding the impact of incremental acquisition and restructuring costs, SG and A increased 8% year over year. Approximately 85% of that 2nd quarter increase was related to investments in Paint Store Group long term growth initiatives, with the remainder driven by increases in compensation and benefits. We are highly confident these growth investments will deliver Strong returns and benefit our customers. And while we recognize SG and A expenses higher year over year in the quarter, We ultimately managed the business to drive operating profit and margin, both of which expanded meaningfully in the quarter.

Speaker 1

We are committed to investing in and profitably growing the business at the same time. Segment margin in all three reportable segments We also delivered strong double digit growth in adjusted diluted net income per share and EBITDA with adjusted EBITDA margin of 20.9% near the high end of our current long term 19% to 21% target range. Let me now turn it over to Heidi, who will provide some commentary on our 2nd quarter results by segment. John will follow Heidi with comments on our outlook before we move on to your questions.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jim. I'll begin with the Paint Stores Group. 2nd quarter Paint Stores Group sales were ahead of our expectations and increased 10%, driven by mid single digit volume growth and continued effective pricing. Segment margin improved 280 basis points to 24.3%. Growth was led by our Protective and Marine business, which was up strong double digits And was driven by industrial flooring, infrastructure and oil and gas applications.

Speaker 2

In our pro architectural end markets, The strongest performers were commercial and property maintenance, both of which increased by double digit percentages. Residential repaint was close behind with sales up by a high single digit percentage. Demand in this market is being somewhat tempered by the New residential sales were flat against a double digit comparison, reflecting the softer starts that we saw at the end of last year, which have continued into this year. As we've previously noted, We anticipated new residential would be challenging in 2023, though we are performing better than the market as we continue to focus on new accounts And share gain. Our DIY business was up strong double digits, albeit against a softer comparison where sales were impacted by From a product perspective, interior and exterior paint sales were both up high single digits with interior sales growing faster and representing a larger part of the mix.

Speaker 2

Sales in our consumer brands Group also exceeded our guidance and increased by 5.1% in the quarter, primarily driven by mid single digit pricing. Sales in North America, our largest region, increased by a low single digit percentage. We continue to invest here with our strategic retail partners for growth. In other regions, sales were up strong double digits in Latin America And Europe. Sales in China were down double digits, but we expect the previously announced divestiture of the China business to be completed in the Q3.

Speaker 2

Adjusted segment margin was 15.7%, up 4 70 basis points year over year. Sales in the Performance Coatings Group increased less than 1% against a strong 15.2% comparison. Volume decreased low single digits but was offset by mid single digit increases in price. Adjusted segment margin increased 4 20 basis points to 18% of sales, which is within the range we have been targeting for this business. Sales in PCG varied significantly by region.

Speaker 2

In North America, sales increased low single digits against a nearly 30% Sales in Europe were up mid single digits. Latin America sales were down less than 1%, also against a strong comp of over 20%. Demand in Asia remained weak with sales down double digits against a soft period a year ago. From a division perspective, growth was strongest in auto refinish, which is up by a high single digit percentage, followed by general industrial, which was up a mid single digit. Industrial wood sales were up less than 1% as softness in new residential continued to impact demand for furniture, cabinetry and flooring.

Speaker 2

Coil sales were down mid single digits, Driven mainly by Europe, which was impacted by last year's Russia exit and against the nearly 40% comparison. Packaging sales were also down low double digits against a 20% plus comp. We anticipated this decline given the near term destocking by brand owners that we described on our last call. We continue to feel very good about our position and growth prospects in this end market. With that, let me turn it to John for his comments on our outlook

Speaker 3

Thank you, Heidi. As we said in January, we expected to have a strong first half of the year. Our team exceeded those expectations and I want to thank all 64,000 of our employees for their relentless focus on serving our customers and for driving continuous improvement across the organization. We also understand that a good first half Does not make a good year. We know we have work to do and that's exactly where we are focused.

Speaker 3

On our April call, we said we would have a much better idea of how the year might unfold as we got deeper into the painting season. Here's what we're seeing as we begin the second half, along with our plans for seizing the opportunities in front of us. In Paint Stores Group, we're facing a strong comparison to the second half a year ago, where sales were up 19%. We see customer backlogs as being solid in commercial, property maintenance and protective and marine throughout the second half and we expect to deliver very Solid strong growth in these end markets. Residential repaint should also be good for us as based on contractor feedback, Though visibility here is only about 6 to 8 weeks and existing home sales are likely to remain weak.

Speaker 3

There's from new residential homebuilders regarding starts, but it won't be enough to move the needle meaningfully for us in 2023. We are more tied to completions, which are slowing. While we are confident we are growing share, we expect new residential volume will be challenging For us in the second half, though the year will likely come in closer to down high single digits compared to the down 10% to 20% full year range we provided in January. In DIY, double digit growth in the first half was aided by Softer comparisons to the prior year, where supply chain headwinds impacted our sales. We do not expect this pace of growth to continue as Comparisons become much more difficult in the second half of the year.

Speaker 3

In consumer brands, North America DIY demand remains soft. Europe Demand has stabilized and Latin America markets remain mixed. In Performance Coatings, many of our customers continue to report a high level of Certainty regarding demand. Auto refinish demand remains an exception and is solid in most regions with Shortages in parts and technicians increasing shop backlogs. Installations of our systems in North America are up strong double digits year to date.

Speaker 3

This continues to bode well for future sales in this business. General industrial end markets are choppy with North American customers reporting mixed demand by end markets served. Industrial wood demand remains soft, though some positive signs in new residential construction indicate we may have reached a bottom. In coil, demand is holding up better in the Americas versus Europe and Asia. And finally, in packaging, Customers are returning to just in time versus just in case supply chain management, resulting in destocking that we expect will continue in the second half.

Speaker 3

The longer term view here is still very robust with customers already committed to fill the additional capacity we're bringing on this year. Let me be very clear in our expectations here. We do not accept the excuse that markets are soft and therefore our opportunities are limited. Our job is not to report conditions, but to influence results. We know we cannot defy gravity in terms of the macro environment, But in every business, we are aggressively pursuing new accounts and share of wallet opportunities to drive market share gains.

Speaker 3

Moving to the cost side, we are revising our raw material outlook. We now expect cost to be down by mid to high single digit percentage In 2023 compared to 2022. We expect to see decreases across several commodity categories, So the ranges likely will vary widely. We expect other costs, including wages and other input costs To be up in the mid to high single digit range. Compared to the guidance we laid out in January, Full year sales growth and raw material costs are trending better than we anticipated.

Speaker 3

With this first half outperformance, We expect considerable year over year operating margin expansion and earnings growth for the year. At the same time, these dynamics also afford us the opportunity to accelerate growth and service investments at a higher level than anticipated at the beginning of the year. As a result of these disciplined and enterprise wide investments, which will drive our customers' continued success, We now expect the year over year increase in SG and A to be in the high single digit to low double digit range for the full year. As in the past, we are highly confident in our ability to drive Future above market growth and our returns will justify the actions we are taking now. Now moving on to our specific guidance.

Speaker 3

We anticipate our Q3 2023 consolidated net sales Will be up or down a low single digit percentage compared to the Q3 of 2022 with volume down low to mid single digits. For the full year 2023, we expect consolidated net sales to be up a low single digit percentage With a volume down a low single digit percentage. Our sales expectations by segment for the Q3 and the full year are included in the slide deck issued with our press release this morning. We are increasing our full year 2023 diluted net income per share to be in the range of $8.46 to $8.86 per share. We believe this increased range accurately reflects Our first half outperformance, continued pricing discipline and moderating raw material costs, while also acknowledging the ongoing uncertainty in the second This guidance includes acquisition related amortization expense of approximately $0.81 per share.

Speaker 3

It also includes net expense related to our previously announced targeted restructuring actions of $0.03 per share. On an adjusted basis, we expect full year 2023 earnings per share in the range of $9.30 to $9.70 This is an increase of 14.5 percent at the midpoint compared to our prior adjusted guidance of 7.95 to $8.65 per share. We provided a GAAP reconciliation in the Reg G table within our press release. Our slide deck includes additional information on our updated assumptions for the year along with guidance on our expectations For currency exchange, effective tax rate, CapEx, depreciation and amortization and interest expense. We've also provided an update on our previously announced restructuring effort.

Speaker 3

One time costs will be lower than previously anticipated. The estimated annual savings from our actions are unchanged. As we begin the second half, we'll remain focused on what we can control. Across the business, this means growing new accounts and share of wallet. It also means developing and retaining talent, improving and simplifying our operations And managing price cost dynamics.

Speaker 3

We remain confident in our differentiated strategy, our capabilities in our product and service solutions. Should the demand environment prove to be better than we are currently assuming, we would expect to deliver better results. What we can't control is the market. We're not interested in trying to time the economic recovery. What we are interested in is taking full advantage of it when it eventually arrives.

Speaker 3

This means investing in our growth now ahead of the curve. This approach has served our customers and our shareholders well over multiple past cycles. I have every confidence That it will do so once again. Above all, I have the utmost confidence in our leadership team and our people. They are the 2 differentiators.

Speaker 3

Together, we expect to continue outperforming our competitors and the market. This concludes our prepared remarks. And with that, I'd like to thank you for joining us this morning. And we'll be happy to take your questions.

Operator

Certainly, everyone at this time will be conducting a question and answer Your first question is coming from Greg Melich from Evercore ISI. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks and congrats guys on a great quarter.

Speaker 5

I

Speaker 4

want to build a little bit into that, the deceleration that you still expect into the Q3. I think it sounds like volume If total sales are kind of flattish that we expect volume to be down kind of low to mid singles and maybe give us a little more color on why you That deceleration in what you're saying?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Greg. I think it's a great question. I think if you look across our entire enterprise right now, I would Just to qualify this or characterize this as choppy, I think that's true both by division and by region. When you break it down, our volume is down low to mid single digits.

Speaker 2

If you look at Paint Stores Group alone, down low single digits, I would say that's primarily due to the new residential slowdown, But confident in the increasing starts that we're seeing. Remember, that's against a really tough comp of 19%. That's A bit offset by some of the heavy impact that we're seeing with both PCG and CVG, but I'm confident in our ability to drive above market growth here.

Speaker 4

Got it. And I guess my second question is on getting back to those that margin range, the 46% gross margin. Could you remind us of the range that you were targeting? And is there a potential to be above that in this cycle, given that it Sounds like at least the pricing of our MRMs remaining quite rational. Yes, Greg, this is Al Mustachian.

Speaker 4

And We're really pleased with the performance of our gross margin. As a reminder, our target is mid term 45% to 48%. As we have talked about in the past, we in our inflation raw material inflationary environment, we put price in to offset those dollars. And then as raw materials moderate, we start seeing the benefit of That was that pricing to increase our gross margin and helps us cover the continued investments we make to help our customers drive value in their business. So I'd expect the sequential gross margin to be similar to what I saw in this what we saw in the second quarter.

Speaker 4

Price, as you know, we'll start annualizing the price increases in our Q3, specifically the September 6% to 10% in Paint Stores Group plus the other items, other segments that have put pricing in. So for the full year, I think our gross margin, depending on where Paint Stores Group volume is could be in that 45% to 46% range. And then, as you know, us We'll evaluate that 45% to 48% range over time. And as we can get consistency in that range, we'll look to raise the bar and move that target up.

Speaker 3

Yes. So I'd say, we refer to that as our current range. And I'd say, in addition to every point that Al just made, the additional steps that we're taking on a regular basis So in reviewing the programs that we have, the investments that we're making, the mix of our products, everything that we're doing Goes into driving that margin. It's not simply just a price. There's a lot of activity on the operations side to drive inefficiency.

Speaker 3

We talked last year about Some of the inefficiencies as we served our customers, we were shipping products from one point of the country into the other. And so, as we continue to optimize our supply chain, We expect to continue to drive that as well.

Speaker 4

And it sounds like even with the lower raw material expectation for this year, your pricing expectations are unchanged. Is that fair?

Speaker 3

Yes, that's correct. As we continue to invest in our business and bring more value to our customers, we'll invest into that and drive their profitability and Naturally, we'd expect that our shareholders participate in that as well.

Speaker 4

That's great and good luck.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you, Greg.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Vincent Andrews from Morgan Stanley. Your line is live.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Two questions on SG and A. I guess first, if you could just help us understand, I know we've talked about this in the past, but the incremental spending for this year, What details can you give us in terms of what it targets? And then secondly, should the back half of the year play out better than you forecast? Do you have more SG and A activities that you could get into in the back half of the year than you're already guiding to or is this SG and A guidance done for the year?

Speaker 6

Yes, Vincent, let me kick

Speaker 3

it off kind of my thinking on it and then I'll ask Al to get into some of the details. First, we are going to adjust our investments to market conditions and these are things that we monitor closely. We monitor the trends in the market, as you just mentioned, the activities and opportunities, costs, even the activities of our competitors. We've seen this before. We'll capitalize on the market opportunities, the competitive shifts and missteps That our competitors make, these are all opportunities.

Speaker 3

So, to your point, as we see raw material trends and These are part of our data set, all roll into what you should expect to see from Sherwin Williams. We're going to be aggressive. We're going to drive market share and invest in our businesses. And I think it comes down to when you have confidence in your strategy and confidence in your leadership team like we do, You can invest and while others are adjusting their strategies, we're going to take advantage of any shifts. We will be on the attack.

Speaker 4

As you know, We're all about managing operating margin growth and operating margin growth over the long term. So your comment about will we be done with SG and A commentary as the second half goes on, I would say no. I think as we see how the demand environment and volumes unfold and As they're at or above our expectations, we'll look at that. We'll look at gross margin performance in the second half. And The beautiful thing about our model is we can be very agile across each of the segments, both field sales and tech service reps, Roughs with the Pro Who Paints within the consumer brands group.

Speaker 4

So if we see a path of a higher gross margin Then what we have in our current outlook, we'll look to put more investments in our long term growth initiatives to drive Higher share as the market returns.

Speaker 1

Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Thank you, Vincent.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from John McNulty from BMO. Your line is live.

Speaker 7

Yeah, Good morning.

Speaker 1

Thanks for taking my question. So in the Paint Stores Group, you had been looking for kind of a flattish guide. Now you're looking for Up mid to high single digits. When you look at the major sub segments of that group, I guess, where are you surprised the most? Where Where are things kind of working out better than you expected?

Speaker 3

So let me Start with new residential, because I think that's an important piece. And maybe what we'll do here, John, is I'll start with new residential, maybe talk about commercial and then I'll I'll ask Heidi to talk about some additional segments because to be truthful with you, we're very pleased with the execution of our team. We talk a lot about our secret weapon and We've talked about the recruitment and retention of this team. They are truly executing. We couldn't be any more proud.

Speaker 3

In new residential, I think it's clear to all of us, there's pressure in the new residential space. Our flat sales in this quarter, I believe are indicative of the share gains we're executing. We talked about penetrating that top 100 builders for the last couple of quarters and quite honestly, we're working on And we're experiencing terrific success, in fact, even deeper into some of the more custom homebuilders as well. It's growing and we expect to continue to grow there. We continue to execute on our strategy of bringing solutions to these builders To make them more successful and I think that's the key and core behind everything we do.

Speaker 3

So in the builders area, the efficiency that we're bringing In our supply chain to help them in innovation, quality, consistency, even as they're adapting into different substrates To help defray costs, we're working with them to ensure that we have the right coatings for them. Importantly, I just talked about our people. I think our stores and our reps in this area, They're doing a fantastic job of staying close and in contact with not only our builders, but their applicators, which is very unique. We've got a distribution platform That wherever our builders are building, whatever developments they're pursuing, our stores are where they are building and where they might want to build. So we're not out there promising if you will invest here, we'll invest with you.

Speaker 3

Our people are there and our assets are there and we're capitalizing on that. So we're growing share. We've not experienced the depth of decline as you mentioned. We originally projected, although I would say we do expect to see softness in the second half. We've talked about our strategy here and our commitment to favorably Position the company and we think this segment absolutely demonstrates that.

Speaker 3

In the commercial side, I'd say we're experiencing Very good performance. And again, I think it highlights the advantages of our control distribution. We expect The balance of 2023 to be strong, we're really focused on the Sub segments inside commercial going forward. So again, really leveraging the value of this control distribution model. Our reps And our specification teams are really dialing into those areas that provide opportunity.

Speaker 3

And even within those areas that might be strong now that could dry up, even in those areas, we know that there will be opportunities, could be in Tenant build out or wherever in commercial, it might shift, we're going to be there. So again, our focus on applicators, the specifiers And the owners, we believe, will pay off for us. Res repaint is another area that I think is really important to talk about. Let me turn that over to Heidi. Yes.

Speaker 2

And as you know, we've had 7 years of double digit growth here in this segment and we're confident in our execution. But it's important to know that we're never complacent and doing what we know how to do, we believe will take share, especially in this environment. While it's currently positive, we know a slowdown is coming and it's also being tempered by, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, by the extended period of weak Existing homes. So having said that, even in that challenging environment, paint will continue to outperform other categories since it is an inexpensive and There's been a lot of speculation about next year and I will tell you that the bidding activity has Somewhat normalized and believe it or not, these are actually very good times for Sherwin Williams where we believe that adversity brings about opportunity for us. In a large part, our controlled model, as many of us talked about previously, this allows us to dig deeper and not just trying to sell our contractors' product, But really taking the time to intersect them where they are in their business and helping them to focus on growth and profitability.

Speaker 2

We have a lot of data that we've talked about in the past, but I think and we won't get into specifics or details here, but it's important that as the team is working hard, John mentioned the talent in the frontline here, mining this data for opportunity and getting very surgical in addition to the data leveraging our rep force So that we can be very thoughtful as we approach these contractors and making sure that we're taking advantage of the talent that we've got out there. So we're currently focused on building these relationships and Confident that we'll continue to see some aggressive share gains here. I'll hit briefly on the DIY relative to stores. And I think, John, your question was Specific to stores, sales were up double digits in Q2 against a fairly soft comp. We don't expect this to continue at this We'll note that there's been some very positive foot traffic in our stores relative to this segment.

Speaker 2

And with that, maybe just a brief touch on P

Speaker 3

Well, property maintenance, I think, is another area that performed a little bit better than we expected. And we have a lot of confidence here. A lot of the Delayed maintenance, we believe now is being addressed. Apartment turnovers are strong and bodes well for us. And again, I think Even the idea of return to travel, office and school all help.

Speaker 3

And we leverage a national platform of stores and reps to be able To really capture that business as well. So it's a good business for us and one that performed better as well. Protective and Marine was another area that in our stores that performed stronger than I would say we expected. I'll say that here not to our team. We expect more from our team would be the answer I'd give them.

Speaker 3

Our core business is very strong, double digit growth. But we've been investing in this business and our expectations are high of this team. We've got terrific leaders in this area and we've been making investments in areas. We've announced a number of acquisitions, for example, in flooring. That's helped us get into some really key opportunities in food and beverage, pharma, even airport hangars, All have been very strong.

Speaker 3

Energy has been very strong for us. It's another great example where we focus on everything from extraction to processing as well as alternative energy. Government activity here is trying to stimulate has been good for us as well. We see Business in the area of mega plants for chips that have been good for us, as well as I mentioned alternative energy where we Really have done a very nice job of bringing technology from all aspects. We're taking into Wind farms, for example, is one that's been promoted in the Northeast.

Speaker 3

It's going to be a terrific opportunity to bring our marine coatings as well as our Heavy duty petrochem technology to bear in a very unique way. So we're bringing technology, we're bringing The strength of a distribution platform, specifications and it's driving businesses that are business is very strong.

Speaker 2

Just one piece I would add to that. John mentioned recent acquisition in flooring. I think that really is a great illustration of how we're looking at this as a broader portfolio of both technologies And services that we're bringing together in terms of our value proposition. But if I look specifically at something like the EV battery plants or semiconductors, We're not just excited for those projects, but candidly for the infrastructure that will eventually surround those projects as well. So we feel very uniquely positioned to take advantage of that wave.

Speaker 1

Great. Thanks very much for the detailed color. Appreciate it. Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Christopher Parkinson from Mizuho. Your line is live. Great.

Speaker 7

Thank you so much. I was just hoping to get a little bit more color on your longer term thoughts on PC margins, just given The competitive dynamics in each of the respective end markets, obviously ongoing price cost, I mean, is I think it's safe to say it's significantly better than we thought at least for the quarter. But Going to that kind of unofficial 20% marker, I'm assuming you're feeling pretty good about that. But if you could just give an update on the longer term thoughts there would be very helpful. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3

Yes, Chris, thanks for your question. I'll start and kick it to Al. You're right, we do feel very good, very proud of Karl Jorgenrude and his entire team, that leadership team is really focused on doing this the right way. So the solutions that we're bringing Our customers and the focus and discipline that we're bringing is part of the strategy we keep repeating. And as we do that, we bring value to our customers And we've been successful.

Speaker 3

The discipline in that is that not every gallon is necessarily a good gallon for us as a result. We're focused on key segments, key customers. We're trying to introduce technology and services that help them To make more money and again as a result, we believe that our shareholders should participate in that. But the push is that make our customers successful and have discipline doing that. And that's exactly what

Speaker 4

Yes, Chris, I think the takeaway that I'd leave you with is as we've progressed through 2022 and into 2023, you start seeing consistency in that segment operating margin in either the bottom of the range or in the range. And a couple additional points. One, they've got the discipline to get price. And when you look at the last 2 years, 21 2022, they took the brunt of the 40% increase in raw material costs and they were able to get price While still driving volume and when we look at the acquisitions that were made last year and the integration activities and the synergies that the team is working on. We feel very good about coming out of this year with the operating margins of those acquisitions being accretive And then they're also focused on a number of other initiatives, whether it's SKU rationalization, simplification, To make operations more efficient that can better serve their customer at a higher level.

Speaker 4

So I think you put those things together and that team is on a strong trajectory to hit that 20% target and then We'll ask for more from there.

Speaker 7

Got it. And just a very quick follow-up, just as and also quite frankly a corollary of what you just said. I don't want to get ahead of myself with this next remark, but it seems things are generally progressing a little bit better than expected. Obviously, that's reflected in the guidance range, so on and so forth. When we take a step back and you look at your portfolio, obviously, you've taken a few extra actions over the last 12 to 18 months in both Divesting as well as acquiring.

Speaker 7

Can you just give kind of a very quick update on where you stand with that thought process? Are there any technologies which you still feel You're focusing on or are there still assets which you would consider divesting, you just given the actions over the last, quite frankly, 5 plus years? Any update there would be very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Chris, we've done 20 transactions since announcing Valspar, 16 were acquisitions and 6 were divestitures. What we're focused on is and where we want to grow are those areas that we can bring value, that we would Be rewarded for bringing solutions to our customers and we take a hard and disciplined look in other areas. So we've divested The Valspar wood divestiture was required by the FTC. We divested Guardsman, which came with Valspar, Wattle in Australia, which came with Valspar. We've announced the Huarun in China, came with Valspar in the specialty aerosol plant That we've recently announced also came with Valspar.

Speaker 3

The one legacy Sherwin business was the thermoplastic road marking business. Here at Sherwin, we're focused on high value products and areas, so that didn't fit our portfolio. We've done a lot of really good deals that we believe that can help drive value for Our shareholders while bringing solutions to our customers and with that discipline to your question on will we continue, That discipline continues every day here. We're having discussions every day about programs, the hard discussions about customers, The geographies, we don't want to just put flags on a map. We're here to create value for our shareholders and It's sometimes hard to make those decisions, but quite frankly, we look at all of these businesses as part of our capital allocation.

Speaker 3

When we put our money in to buy Valspar and we inherited a lot of these businesses, That was capital that was allocated and if it doesn't meet the threshold for our shareholder return, then we make those difficult decisions And that's part of who we are. And when we're out looking for acquisitions, it's not just what's for sale. We take a very disciplined approach. We've got a team led by Brian Young here and our team that does a wonderful job in helping to identify what would be fit if it's for sale or not. And if it's not for sale, We will try to have those honest discussions with the owners about why it might be a better fit with Sherwin.

Speaker 3

So it's a disciplined approach that we take. We're proud of it. We're not out just trying to buy volume or sales or book of business. It has to fit strategically or we're not interested.

Speaker 7

Thank you for your

Speaker 1

thoughts. Chris.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Ghansham Panjabi from RW Baird and Company. Your line is live.

Speaker 8

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everybody. John, as you kind of think about 2023 Specific to Paint Stores Group, what do you think the common theme is as it relates to the volume outperformance across your various categories? I'm just curious, is the customer backlogs that were a bit stronger than relative to what you initially thought or market share gains or something else? And then on residential repaint, do Do you think that vertical could be directionally less sensitive to existing home sales on a go forward basis relative to the historical baseline?

Speaker 3

Well, how about if I take the first piece and I'll throw it to Heidi on the resale because she's working very closely on it. I think there's a number of areas, Ghansham, I don't want to spend a lot of time on this because I did just hit this, but I think the Foundation of our strategy and our focus really comes down to the people that I just mentioned. We We talked about this management trainee program that we've had for over 40 years. We recruit 1500 college graduates every year. So we're recruiting and we're training and developing the best talent we believe.

Speaker 3

And yes, we've made some compensation adjustments that's appeared in our SG and A To retain this talent and we think that was a great investment and we'd make it every day because we're going to win or lose by our people. And so when you ask about what's happening in the market, I think quite honestly, our people are executing. It's a very choppy market out there right now. There were times when you would talk with customers and they would say they've not advertised in 5 years and Some of our customers had never advertised at all. They were spin off of working for someone else and the market had been so hot that they just Put a sign up in the first house they painted and then it started to roll.

Speaker 3

Now with the adversity in the market, We look that much more attractive to painting contractors that are looking for assistance and looking for help. And we welcome that. It's the reason we have over 3,000 sales reps and nearly 5,000 stores in the market. We don't look at our position nationally. We look at our business market by market, customer by customer and we're trying to address Their needs.

Speaker 3

And so, I don't think that there's a lot of wind in the sales of a lot of people. On the architectural side, there's A good book of backlog business as Heidi mentioned, but there's some uncertainty and there's some choppiness and our people are there to Paraphrase this, we're almost to hold the hands of these important customers and help them through that. And as a result, we get rewarded. So we're executing really well in a choppy market. That's how I would respond how we're performing in the market.

Speaker 3

And regarding res paint, res repaint specifically, Heidi, maybe I'll have you answer that.

Speaker 2

Yes. Gautam, I think the good question. In terms of the reliance on resale, I think that the inverse is true as well, which is that those that are staying in place, Making sure that they're aware that this is really about the opportunity to raise the value of their home if they choose to stay. We mentioned earlier It's an inexpensive and highly impactful project. I mentioned the data earlier and I'd like to go back to that.

Speaker 2

I think it's a great example of how we're able to penetrate And not be reliant on the resale market. In terms of our ability to go back, I'll give you an example again without getting into too much detail. Mining 4, the data for those customers that haven't bought paint in a while, for customers based on a certain demographic that we know Are more likely or certain regions that are more likely to reengage in the category. I mentioned earlier our team, Something that really differentiates us in this space is we've got 1500 graduates every year that really own the P and L in their store and they're hunting for this exact So a lot of respect for the people out there building these relationships and making sure that whether it's a homeowner or a contractor, making sure that we're being very Surgical in terms of how we approach these really important customers.

Speaker 1

And I'd add one thing to that as well Ghansham. What you're seeing with the softness in existing home sales This extended period, what we're seeing is people can't wait. So that's driving them to new res. And I think that's also supporting some of the new res Business and as we've spoken many times about our business as a table whichever way the market may tilt, I think it was a great example As John walked through NewRez, telling you how well prepared and how much value we bring in that area as these Folks simply can't find a home to move into because the inventory is so low. We're going to go new build and we're right there.

Speaker 8

Got it. And then for my second question on PCG, several categories seem to have been impacted by destocking across the various regions. Where are we in that process do you think? You gave some comments on packaging. What about the other major verticals?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Well, I would like to talk about packaging because if there is One, Ghansham, that fits your description there, it would be packaging. We've got customers working through softer demand and overstock. And as we see that continue, it's likely going to continue through Q3, perhaps even Q4, but we feel really confident. This is a strong team with a growing Position with great technology. We've talked about this V70 unique technology that is really fantastic and we hear it from our customers.

Speaker 3

It's a plug and play. It's really highly efficient. It's superior in its ability to keep flavor protection of the product, NextGen non BPA, it's just a fantastic product and it's been very well received by our customers. So we've got confidence in this business. It's just going to be bumpy.

Speaker 3

And while we have high expectations, we often Push hard. We also have to be realistic with our team. So we're feeling good there. When you look at the rest of the businesses inside our PCG business, We mentioned it's bumpy. We've got some that might be more resilient as others.

Speaker 3

We talked about auto refinish. This is a team that's really Hitting on all cylinders, pun intended, that is really leveraging the technology combination from Valspar And Sherwin together along with the platform of stores. Many people think about stores through our architectural Paint Stores Group, but we bring the same value through our automotive stores direct to customer and we are really growing business there as well. Our general industrial business is one that is kind of a mixed bag. If you look at areas such as Large ag and construction is doing well, where building products and general finishing is soft.

Speaker 3

So when you look at this business When you look around wherever you are right now, the office, every sub state that you see likely is 1 of 2 businesses, General industrial or industrial wood and our businesses there offer Terrific opportunity, but they're going to be a little bit bumpy. In coil, I would say, we had a decrease in coil, largely driven by Europe and Asia, North America is holding up a little bit better than other regions. But again, it's a The team is bringing a unique responsiveness to customers' needs in a way that help us grow market share even in a down market.

Speaker 9

Thank you so much.

Operator

You bet. Thank you. Thank you. Your next question is coming from Jeff Zekauskas from JPMorgan Securities. Your line is live.

Speaker 1

Thanks very much. Is it fair to say that in the first half, raw materials were down by a low to mid single digit rate? And in the second half as a base case, they should be down by a high single digit rate.

Speaker 4

Yes, Jeff, I would say you are correct. Maybe not quite high single digit on the 2nd half, but close to it, yes. Okay. 3rd quarter actually will be up our highest it will be the best improvement year over year.

Speaker 1

It will be the highest, yes. And as a base case, for 2024, when you look across your businesses, Do you expect your general level of prices to be higher or lower or flat?

Speaker 4

Sitting here today, Jeff, we continue to talk about our pricing and our ability to maintain pricing as The raw materials moderate because of the solutions that we drive. I don't think we're ready to talk about incremental pricing for 2024. We have We look at the total input cost basket to determine if we need a price or don't need a price. And as you know, any price discussions we have, We'd have them with our customers first, then talk to the street. So we have time to talk about 2024 over the next quarter and a half.

Speaker 1

Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you, Jeff.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from David Begleiter from Deutsche Bank. Your line is live.

Speaker 10

Thank you. Good morning. John and Al, how should we think about second half earnings in terms of the cadence between Q3 and Q4?

Speaker 4

Yes. David, I mean, when you look at the earnings, As John and Heine talked about, our visibility and demand, which is going to drive our performance through the second half It's limited. So we have a better line of sight in our Q3 than our Q2. We don't give EPS or 4th We don't give EPS guidance, but couple of other things I would note, I do expect to see A seasonal slowdown in architectural in our Q4, which will impact our gross margin as it historically has done. So I believe this is a That is a second half more, what I would say typical than some of the last 3 years.

Speaker 4

But our Q3 is typically a stronger quarter and I'd expect that to continue.

Speaker 10

Very good. And John, One of your competitors announced a couple of homebuilder wins over the last few months. Why do you think they won that business and you may have lost that business? And overall, how is the competitive landscape in that portion of the business? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks for that. I'd start with every Single customer is important to us, everyone. I also think it's important that you understand how we think. To us, We play every day in the World Series and we want to sweep the series.

Speaker 3

We want to win every single game, but we're also realists. We're not going to expect every one of our pitchers to throw a perfect game or to win every game as a shutout. But I'll tell you this, I believe we have the best team, the best resources and great momentum. So even if our competitors score an occasional run or if our Pitchers throw occasional ball here or there, we're not going to panic. We've got, we believe the right team.

Speaker 3

We'll sweep the series and we're out there right now. We believe if you look at that top 100 builders and the penetration that we have, We're growing it and growing it aggressively and we expect that to continue and we're doing that at all our competitors' expense. We just don't choose to talk about it.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much.

Operator

You bet. Thanks, David. Thank you. Your next question is coming from Mike Sison from Wells Fargo. Your line is

Speaker 11

live. Hey, guys. Nice quarter. With the 3rd quarter volumes Potentially being down, do you think things are bottoming as I think about the 4th quarter volumes Look like they could be flattish to maybe even up. And then how do you think about 'twenty four volume growth next year?

Speaker 11

Do you think it's Yes, we could be in a position to start growing again.

Speaker 3

Yes. Mike, take one more run at that question here, maybe I missed.

Speaker 11

Yes, I guess for the Q3, I guess I'm trying to understand if you think things are bottoming here in the 3rd And then potential for volume growth for the total entity maybe into the 4th and into 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think that's a challenge to answer. I'd say if you look at new residential, we're suggesting that we've outperformed, for example, in new residential and that we expect The balance of the year to be a little bumpier. Housing starts are starting to come back as I talked about in my prepared remarks, but Even homes that are broke they break ground today, it's likely going to be for the future that likely next year before we start painting those. And so I don't I'd say we're probably bouncing around here a little bit.

Speaker 3

We'll see what happens. But our approach has been Right now that as the market is soft, our goal is to outperform it. And Going forward between Q3 and Q4 gallons, I'd say it's likely going to trend about where we are.

Speaker 4

1st group, if you look at, we said projected to be flat, tough, low single digits. But when you look at the dollars Sequentially, they are pretty close and that's with new res declining more in our Q3 than we In our Q4, which tells you we have some strength in our other segments that John and Heidi talked about, and it's going up against the 21.5% comp last year. So when you think about the second half, Paint Stores Group has a tough Comp, I'd say the other segments as we talked about are choppy and it's by business, by region. I think some Businesses in certain regions have bottomed out. I think there's still challenges that we see in Asia Pacific.

Speaker 4

But as an example, Europe in our 2nd half, we expect to do better than what we did in the first half. 20 24, that's a whole different discussion that We'll have as we get into January in our year end call.

Speaker 2

One piece I would add to that, I think is just an indicator of the strength of the backlogs. I think if you look at Stronger and more solid backlogs across commercial, property maintenance and P and M. And I would also say, it's not just the backlog, it's The way in which we're interacting with these customers, we're closer to these customers than we've ever been before, which is a large Part based on our control distribution model, but it's also based on coming out of the last few years of a lot of challenges. I think we've all essentially become better planners together. So those backlogs Our components, but also our closeness to the customer gives me a lot of confidence in the outlook.

Speaker 11

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Arun Viswanathan from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is live.

Speaker 12

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I guess I just wanted to follow-up on that last point as far as backlog. Could you potentially provide us with some backlogs across maybe some of the different market segments that you're seeing in PSG? I know when you started out the year, You noted that there was quite a few jobs still in the backlog on the new side through the first half, but then it really kind of limited after that.

Speaker 12

So how would you characterize the backlog now if you could provide a little bit more granularity on that? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, Arun, I'd say Heidi, if you don't mind, I'll jump in here. I think if you look at the points that Heidi is making, I think there's 2 points. You're asking one very good question, but There's another element here that I want to tie to this. One is, if you look across the various segments and say, okay, commercial we see strong, residential repaint, Little bit choppy with resales, but we can see out 6 to 8 months, property maintenance strong, DIY has been strong, but it's on softer comps, so we don't expect that to continue. I think all of those are opportunities for us Continue to grow market share and we will.

Speaker 3

The other point though that I think she's talking that she spoke to that I think is important is coming through COVID and then the shortage, We've worked much closer with our customers in ways that quite honestly, I wish I would have had that opportunity when I was in a store. We're now working collaboratively With what projects are taking place now, what's next, even to the point where if it rains, my fallback is this position. And the fact that we've got our reps and our stores out there close to the backlog and close with our customers closer than ever before It's a terrific advantage that we're trying to leverage. So by segment, I would say, yes, we see new residential likely to slow down a little bit As the slowdown works its way to the painting phase of the homes that weren't started 8 months ago, Property maintenance, we're really leveraging the fact that their CapEx money is freeing up. Our national agreements Our opportunities for us and the others as I described.

Speaker 3

So it's a good Market for us because there's a lot of diversity in the market and that's what we thrive on.

Speaker 12

That's helpful. And then follow-up on the raw material side. Could you just maybe provide us with some idea of what you've been procuring at in the second quarter? I would imagine it's maybe down mid to high single digits. And does that flow through, I guess, second half?

Speaker 12

And have you seen any declines in TiO2 as well? Or do you expect any of those? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Yes, Arun. So our raw material basket in the second quarter was down in that high single digit range. And what was really driving that deflation for us, as you might expect, is the petrochemical side of the basket, resins, In solvents, even plastic packaging, the decline in some of the key feedstocks such as propylene, It's now flowing through into the things that we're buying and we expect that to continue. This is a cycle that we've seen many times Over the years. With regard to TiO2, your question there, those costs are still a little bit elevated for us, but we expect to see them Starting to trend in a more positive direction as the year goes on.

Speaker 1

Some of the key input costs on TiO2 are elevated right now, chlorine being One of the main ones and I'd also say some suppliers are also trying to manage their capacity a little bit more tightly. But With demand soft here, you're going to see or we believe we're going to see and expect to see some decreases in the TiO2 pricing. Thanks.

Speaker 3

You bet.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Arun.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Duffy Fischer from Goldman Sachs. Your line is live.

Speaker 13

Yes, good morning. I was hoping you could help me just triangulate a little bit. When you look at the midpoint of your guide, what it implies is the back half versus the first half this year is going to be down 22% on EPS. But when you look at the last 7 years, The average is for that to be up 6% and it's been up 5 of the 7 years. So when you add to that The raw materials should be better in the second half versus the first.

Speaker 13

I just have a hard time triangulating that new resi will be a big enough negative to take the earnings down on a sequential basis first half to second half. So could you just talk through what else might be negative first half to second half?

Speaker 4

Yes, Duffy. I mean, it starts with that sales outlook down mid single digit from For second half versus first half, less price would be in that. So we've got a nice tailwind in the first half for price That helped drive our operating our gross margin. And So you also see lower volume specifically in Consumer and Paints Performance Coatings Group. So I think as you would expect, you're going to get lower gross profit dollars.

Speaker 4

I do still expect gross margin expansion in our second half, Not quite as good as year over year anyway that we saw in our first half because of our comps. And then you do get some help on the raw material reduction, but that is partially offset by lower fixed cost absorption In our second half due to lower production volumes. I think SG and A even, we talked about SG and A in the opening and Being more aggressive at adding investments for our long term growth Strategy both in stores, reps, field tech service reps and the final piece These non operating costs that I'd call out that were are probably going to be an incremental $60,000,000 to $70,000,000 Headwind versus our first half because some of the gains that we had on sale of assets and marketable securities. So I think Those are the things that are driving that sequential movement.

Speaker 13

Okay. And then just again, if we ever get back to normal, whatever that is, do you still believe that your structural footprint is the second half Earnings profile is better than the first half earnings profile for the company?

Speaker 4

Yes. Duffy, I try to go back to A normal year 2019. So to your point, I'm not sure what normal is. But I think as we continue to see growth in our Performance Coatings group that's less seasonal, You might not see as big of an increase in our second half versus our first half as we move forward. But if we get back to the way Paint Stores Group ran, our consumer business ran, then yes, you should typically see that.

Speaker 3

Okay. I guess I'd just add on to the investment strategy that Al mentioned. We're 157 year old company and we're not Trying to run the company for a perfect quarter here. We've got confidence in our strategy. It's a proven strategy with proven leadership team Through a proven and growing asset base in stores and in the facilities that we're running.

Speaker 3

So to Al's point, we're going to invest Into that and we played a long game here. We know what we're doing and quite frankly, we're going to do more of it.

Speaker 13

Terrific. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Duffy.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Adam Baumgarten from Zelman and Associates. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon, guys. I was curious if you could give an update on Prosu Paint business and how that's been trending?

Speaker 2

Yes. Good question, Adam. I think there's a lot of growing Certainly growing interest here as it relates to how we're partnering with our strategic retail partners and certainly the investment It's following that with a lot of confidence and growth to be gained there. And I won't get into a lot of the details because I think those are certainly For our retailer partners to share, but I can tell you that the level of collaboration and alignment from the planning standpoint, Certainly understanding how the calendar lays out, laying in key events throughout the year, making sure The data is aligned, the reps are aligned, that the structures are aligned. It's we're just getting started here and we've got a lot of confidence in where this can go.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thanks. And then maybe just if you could discuss some of the simplification efforts you're making across the enterprise and kind of the timeline there and the impact you ultimately expect that to

Speaker 1

have on the business?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's a great question. I will tell you that that's going to be a journey onto itself. So when you think about it, how we're kind of broadly defining this is truly looking end to end. Al mentioned this earlier, where we're looking to bring some efficiencies Certainly with our global supply chain team, Al mentioned the Performance Coatings group, I'd say true for all groups and for Supply chain as well, really understanding all the way from the raw material view out the question was asked earlier. Jim mentioned, how we're thinking about procurement in general.

Speaker 2

The conversations that we're having are, I would say, a lot more detailed relative to the sub supplier level and Making sure that when we step back and look at our supplier strategy, there's a distinction between strategic suppliers and transactional suppliers. So we're having those very important conversations at the front end. And then as I take you all the way through, Al mentioned our rationalization efforts that are underway. But as you can imagine, as we simplify the basket and continue the rationalization efforts from a customer facing standpoint, It puts us in a much more optimized and efficient standpoint from an operational manufacturing logistics.

Speaker 3

And so

Speaker 2

there's a lot of Milestones that the team is setting forward here. This will be a multiyear journey, as I mentioned, but I would expect that we'll see some customer facing Update as it relates to how we can compete with a more aggressive portfolio of products here in the short run. And then you'll see that continue To show up to the bottom line as we move faster and faster towards automation and the like.

Speaker 4

The only thing I would add to that, Adam, is Now we talk about efficiencies, but we also are focused on these efforts to increase our capacity So that we're not having to put capital back into capacity and then also looking at opportunities for working capital reduction. John talked about the divestitures and part of our capital allocation philosophy. It's really a strong and focus on Delivering cash generation back to our targets that we laid out and also how we utilize our best utilize our assets.

Speaker 1

Thanks. Best of luck.

Operator

Thank you, Adam. Thank you. Your next question is coming from Josh Spector from UBS. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Yes, hi. So just a follow-up on working capital and specifically inventory. So I mean your inventory stepped down a few 100,000,000 sequentially. Just curious if you'd say you have your volumes of inventory at the right level For what you're expecting in terms of second half volumes or if you're continuing to destock that inventory through the year And really what that means, your expectations for working capital for 2023? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Sure, Josh. Yes, as typically is the case as we get into the summer selling season, we will see a sequential decrease in our inventory gallons as you mentioned. I think you'll see a sequential decrease in our Q3, which is also typical. And then We'll build inventory back in our Q4 to our targeted numbers that are it will be similar to prior Similar to last year, but to more historic levels. So I feel very good about where our inventories are at today.

Speaker 4

That being said, we'll adjust production through the second half to maintain That targeted year end inventory, I don't want to get us too far ahead going into next year. So we'll monitor demand trends closely and adjust production schedules accordingly. We'll try to push that working Capital back towards our target by year end of 11.5%. I think that's going to be a little difficult considering accounts payable is Because of the lower production is what's driving our increase over that 13%. But we'll get that Working capital back towards the target of 11%, 11.5% going forward.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Josh.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Steve Byrne from Bank of America. Your line is live.

Speaker 6

Yes, thank you. This 10% roughly Increase in SG and A that you're expecting for the year. Can you talk a little bit about what exactly is driving that? Is that underlying wages? Is it variable comp to incentivize Aggressive effort in sales, is that headcount?

Speaker 6

Is it something else? Is it a digital app? What would you say is Driving that, what are the primary buckets driving a 10% increase in SG and A?

Speaker 3

Yes, Steve. I don't think it's in our best interest to lay out exactly where our investments are to be truthful with you. I would say that We have a proven leadership team. We've been at this for a long time. We see opportunities and we invest.

Speaker 3

And many of the topics that you brought up are areas of investment. So, yes, we're going to invest in securing our people, the retention of our people, the training of our people. We're going to add reps Through our stores and through other channels that are important to us, we're investing in innovation and digital. We're not going to get into any specifics deeper than that. But we believe and quite frankly, we're very proud that when we make an investment that Our shareholders can count on a return.

Speaker 3

We've demonstrated the discipline to be able to do that.

Speaker 6

And then on your cost structure, Al, if I heard you right, you think you've indicated low single digit Deflation in raw material costs and I believe that was not current purchases, but what flowed through COGS In the Q2, is there something else that was a meaningful Change year over year in cost structure like freight or logistics or something because your gross profit Increased year over year significantly more than revenue. There seems to be maybe something else in there other than just Low single digit raws.

Speaker 4

Steve, we had better than low single digit raw in 2nd quarter, if that's what I said, that wasn't correct. We had more like high single digit Reduction in raw material costs and what I said is the offset partially offset by lower fixed cost absorption because we had lower production Volumes in their Q2 mainly because we had to rebuild inventories last year and we didn't have to redo that. So we're at a more Typical production schedule this year than last year. So that's maybe what the little bit of a headwind would have been in the quarter versus raw material benefits.

Speaker 3

With a more optimized supply chain this year versus last year, Steve, last year, literally, we were taking raws wherever we could make them Or get them manufacturing paint and sending it to customers wherever they needed it. And we absorbed that into our margin. But I think again it speaks to the commitment we make to our customers and why they can count on us.

Speaker 6

That's helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Patrick Cunningham from Citi. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you. You talked about the fixed Cost drag from lower production volumes, how much lower utilization rates versus historical levels? And if the recent up Trend maybe in housing starts or commercial and property hangs in there. Would you expect to bump up to historic high utilization rates in 2024 and perhaps even prebuilt More additional inventory in 4Q?

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Patrick, we don't talk about Capacity utilization, I will tell you this that we've added some capacity, so we've got the ability to be more responsive to our customers' needs. When We talked about taking working capital down. Al's comments about getting down in that 11.5% range. We have confidence in our ability to do that while improving service to our customers as we go through the simplification efforts that Heidi is leading to the company on the operational side, As well as the capacity that we have.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Patrick.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Aleksey Yefremov from KeyBanc. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Thanks. I just have one question on DIY. You have easy comps in the first half, Getting to harder comps in the second half, what is the underlying trend here for your business and the market overall? Is it Sequentially still decelerating, improving or stable?

Speaker 2

I'll start with that. I think if you look at DIY and our paint storage group, I'd give you a slightly different response versus what we're seeing in the rest of our business and largely based on the premise that there's a slightly different segment And a customer that's looking for more service that's once more that specialty paint store experience. So as I mentioned earlier, we're seeing traffic Up in our stores, I think the challenge on the softness, I mean, you'll see this on the consumer brand side as well. We've gotten back into a strong position of inventory. You'll see some more promotional activity that's been happening in an effort to drive traffic, But still continue to see some of that softness coming in, in the current state at least through the balance of the year.

Speaker 9

Thanks a lot. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Kevin McCarthy from Vertical Research Partners. Your line is live.

Speaker 14

Yes, Good afternoon. In your consumer business, can you speak to the outlook for repair and remodeling activity? And given that backdrop, do you expect your market share among pros who paint to rise or fall or Stay about the same over the next year or so.

Speaker 3

We expect our market share to grow. And If you look at what's happening from a LIRA standpoint, predictions on what's going to happen right now, I'd say There's a slowing in the remodel business, but the truth be told is that this is an opportunity for us. In our business, There are a lot of people that talk about percentages and might boast large percentage increases On a relatively small business. And quite frankly, this is a new and growing opportunity for us. So the dollars are not where we believe they can be.

Speaker 3

Percentage wise, we have significant increases and we expect those increases to continue as we partner with Our customers who are interested in growing this. And importantly, I think it's to understand the strategy here. There are customers, particularly those that paint as a part of their project that prefer a home center model. Some of those customers might find their way into our stores and The natural question is a concern about cannibalization. We're not concerned with that.

Speaker 3

We'll gladly put that share of business up knowing that There's a significant opportunity for us to grow with our partners to pursue the remodeler, if you will, who's using paint on a project. So yes, it's going to grow. We're focused on it with our customers and we're a determined group combined. So we expect positive growth.

Speaker 14

Thank you for that, John. And secondly, if I may, perhaps for Al, it appears as though your 2023 CapEx outlook declined by $100,000,000 to $700,000,000

Speaker 3

Why is that? Is that

Speaker 14

a function Of timing or any meaningful changes to the project roster?

Speaker 4

Yes, Kevin, it's all related to timing. We are still moving forward with the Statesville expansion that we had talked about earlier this year. We are still moving forward with the Warehouse automation projects that we have talked about and continued driving the packaging capacity expansion That we talked about. So it's just timing and with a better line of sight to the second half, we thought we'd update that number.

Speaker 14

Perfect. Thank you so

Operator

much. Thanks, Kevin. Thank you. Your next question is coming from Mike Harrison from Seaport Global. Your line is live.

Speaker 3

Hi, good afternoon. You've completed a handful of acquisitions and And you're integrating those in the Performance Coatings business. Can you just give us an update on how you're seeing those operating and commercial synergies Progressing on some of the key deals that you've completed?

Speaker 2

Yes, Mike. It's a great question. I think there's a whole host of acquisitions As John mentioned earlier, I would say the team is laser focused on 1st and foremost making sure that these integrations are seamless to the customer. We're very focused on the integration at the team level. I think when you look at some of our the acquisitions that have been around technologies, our ability to quickly The tech transfer has been an area of focus.

Speaker 2

So we're able to get those products outside of one necessary region and in some cases, Moving across the country or moving them across globally. So we're really focused on making sure we're getting the value capture out of some of these and the synergies that we know are there. But there's a lot of great work being done by the teams to make sure that we're keeping our customers focused on a fuller and then a fuller portfolio Of choices based on these acquisitions.

Speaker 3

All right. And then You mentioned in the consumer business that you were seeing some stabilization in Europe. I was hoping that you could maybe provide a little more detail On what you're seeing there and maybe what your expectations look like for the second half in Europe, both in terms of demand and as you think about the price cost You're talking about on the consumer side in Europe? Consumer in Europe, yes. Yes.

Speaker 3

So first, to capture this, it's a relatively small percentage of our overall business. We're proud of our relationship there. We play a kind of a niche role, if you will, in tinted paint Through the Valspar brand, this came to us with our acquisition. We've got a terrific relationship that we're interested in growing. And I'd say that momentum that we have is good and we're excited about it.

Speaker 2

One of that too just based on some of the economic recovery, the stability that we're seeing coming in and I think it's playing to our favor based on this tinted program that's unique in a lot of these countries.

Speaker 3

Thanks very much.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from John Roberts from Credit Suisse. Your line is live.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Could you just remind us how big U. S. New res is as a percent of total sales. And even though your paint doesn't get applied until completion, I think you bid it closer to the start.

Speaker 1

So What's the can you quantify at all what the bidding activity has been or the backlog? John, New residential is a mid teens percentage of our paint stores group.

Speaker 3

And we don't bid house, John. We quote our customers on a regular basis and And those are fluid discussions that we have with our customers. So it varies by customer, The timing of any agreements that we have and we just work closely with our customers to ensure that they have As much lead time to any adjustments to pricing as possible.

Speaker 1

Okay. Even the largest homebuilders?

Speaker 3

Even the largest.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Eric Bosshard from Cleveland Research. Your line is live.

Speaker 13

Clarity on 2 things, if you could. First of all, on raws, the 5% to 9% full year, what was the first half of raw material?

Speaker 1

Yes. The first half I'd say our second half is going to be better than our first half, Eric. In the Q1, it was a pretty modest. If you remember, we said it was a pretty modest deflation. It got better.

Speaker 1

I mentioned sort of high single digit range in the second quarter. It will be better in the second half with probably the Q3, probably the peak year over year benefit.

Speaker 13

And then secondly, relative to the original guidance, is the increase relative to what

Speaker 9

you thought the year would look like? Is that even between the first half and second half or is that more first half loaded?

Speaker 4

Yes. Eric, I'd say it's more first half loaded. And as we talked about, we expected a strong first half and demand as we again talked about was stronger in our first half. So it's more first half loaded.

Speaker 9

Okay. And then is there anything different that makes it more first half loaded? Or is there I understand the comparisons The comparisons exist and there were comparisons in the first half as well. I mean, is there something that makes creates more benefit in the first half than the second half?

Speaker 4

Yes, the comparisons are better. We get more price tailwind in our first half. And even with that, within admin, we had some gains on sale assets and stuff like that, that maybe helped us a nickel in the second quarter. But Yes, the comps are going to get steeper and then it's the outlook on the choppy demand environment And I would say that's why you don't see a bigger tailwind in our second half plus the investments we're making for future growth.

Speaker 9

Okay. That makes sense. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Eric.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Garik Shmois from Loop Your line is live.

Speaker 15

Hi, thank you. I just want to follow-up on the strength you're seeing in commercial within the Tate Stores Group. It runs a little bit contrary to some of Macro, that's been a bit choppier on commercial. So I'm just wondering how much of that is maybe share gains versus a particular vertical And you've been over exposing yourselves to?

Speaker 3

We do believe we're gaining share there. It's a great opportunity again to highlight This control distribution, the approach that we take has been grounded in the Focus on the applicator, on the specifier and the owner through a distribution platform that is 1st class. And so our reps are working hand in hand with our customers. I would say that many of our customers would see our reps almost as part of their team. And the more Challenging the market, the more valuable that sales rep is and the facilities that we build to service Those needs.

Speaker 3

So, yes, I think we're growing share. I think there's a good really good momentum through the balance of the year rolling into next year. From there, as I mentioned earlier, while we're not waiting for the business that to finish up, We're very focused on those sub segments that I mentioned earlier that are a bit more resilient that we're focused on to continue the momentum.

Speaker 15

Okay, thanks. And wanted to follow-up on resi repaint. You talked about contractor visibility and backlog several times. I'm just Wondered if you could put that in context, is the visibility and backlog that you're hearing from your contractor customers, are these back to more normalized levels At this point, are we still running below normal given some of the headwinds over the last several quarters?

Speaker 2

I'd say they're back to more normalized levels. I think you'll see depending on the size of the res repaint contractor, some that are willing to Take on more and have the labor and the support and the resources to do that and some that are smaller in size and that might be more governed by shortage The labor, we're really trying to intercept them at that point and help them focus on how they can be as productive as possible. So everything from Our product assortment to our tools, to our reps and how we're engaging these contractors, making sure that when they're on the job site, they're as productive as possible, How they bid, how they quote, how they get paid. So really trying to help them from an entire business standpoint regardless of the maturity or their size.

Speaker 1

Got it. Thanks again. Thanks, Garik.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our Q and A session. I will now hand the conference back to Jim Jay for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

I want to thank everybody again for joining our call today. I hope you heard come through loud and clear. Our team is aligned and committed to growing our business profitably, but we're also going to invest in growth And customer facing initiatives, that's going to drive our success and our customer success over the long term. I'll remind you that our annual financial community presentation is going to be held here in Cleveland on August 24. In addition to John, Heidi and Al, you're going to hear directly from our group presidents at the event and they're looking forward to sharing their Plans in each of those operating groups and you'll hear how they're planning to execute and drive those businesses forward as we described on much of the call today.

Speaker 1

You can register for that event at our website and we look forward to seeing you at that event. So thank you again for your interest in Sherwin. Have a great rest of your day.

Operator

Thank you, everyone. This concludes today's event. You You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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