Verizon Communications Q3 2023 Earnings Report

Verizon Communications EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $1.22
• Consensus EPS: $1.17
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.05
• One Year Ago EPS: $1.32

Verizon Communications Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $33.00 billion
• Expected Revenue: $33.27 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$267.09 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -3.50%

Verizon Communications Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q3 2023
• Date: 10/24/2023
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2023
• Conference Call Time: 8:30AM ET

Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) is a telecommunications company that provides wireless communications, broadband, and related technology services. Its offerings include mobile voice and data plans, 5G connectivity, fixed wireless access, fiber-optic internet through Verizon Fios, home services, and connected-device solutions.

Through Verizon Business, the company serves enterprises, government agencies, and other organizations with communications networks, managed connectivity, cybersecurity, cloud and edge-computing services, unified communications, and Internet of Things solutions. Verizon also operates digital media and advertising activities through its consumer-focused brands and services.

Verizon primarily serves customers in the United States, including consumers, small businesses, large enterprises, and public-sector organizations. The company was formed in 2000 through the merger of Bell Atlantic and GTE and has since expanded its network offerings through investments in wireless, fiber, and next-generation communications infrastructure.

Verizon Communications Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Wireless service revenue grew 2.9% year-over-year in Q3, EBITDA reached $12.2 B and year-to-date free cash flow hit $14.6 B, leading Verizon to raise its full-year FCF guidance by $1 B.
• Verizon paid down $2.6 B of debt in Q3, improved its net debt/EBITDA ratio, and increased its dividend for the 17th consecutive year with a 56% free cash flow payout.
• Consumer mobility saw sequential and year-over-year postpaid phone net adds, higher ARPA driven by MyPlan enhancements, stable churn and lower upgrade costs.
• Broadband continued its strong run with 434 k net additions (384 k fixed wireless access and 72 k Fios), bringing total subscribers to 10.3 M, up 21% year-over-year.
• The prepaid/value segment remains a headwind with net losses of 207 k subscribers in Q3, although sequential improvements were reported.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good morning, and welcome to the Verizon third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be opened for questions following the presentation. To ask a question, press star one on your touchtone phone. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself by pressing star two. Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Mr. Brady Connor, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Thanks, Brad. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter earnings conference call. I'm Brady Connor, and I'm joined by our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hans Vestberg, as well as our Chief Financial Officer, Tony Skiadas. Before we begin, I'd like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement, which can be found on slide two of the presentation. Information in this presentation contains statements about expected future events and financial results that are forward-looking and subject to risks and uncertainties. Discussions of factors that may affect future results is contained in Verizon's filings with the SEC, which are available on our website. This presentation contains certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the financial materials posted on our website.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Earlier this morning, we posted to our investor relations website a detailed review of our third quarter results. You will find additional details in the earnings materials on our investor relations website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Hans.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Thank you, Brady, and good morning to everyone. I'm pleased to share our strong third quarter results, making another quarter with solid growth and improving profitability. It is clear that our strategy is working. In both the consumer and the business groups, we're executing a segmented, agile strategy that provides value to our customers and our bottom line. We have delivered growth in each of the areas we asked you to grade us on: wireless service revenue, EBITDA, and free cash flow. This is evidence that we have the right strategy and are achieving our results in a financially disciplined way. Now, let me share our financials for the quarter. Our third quarter wireless service revenue is up 2.9% year-over-year, driven by expanding and deepening our customer relationships.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

This revenue growth is a key driver for adjusted EBITDA of $12.2 billion for the quarter, which is higher than both Q3 last year and sequentially. Our year-to-date free cash flow of $14.6 billion is already exceeding our full-year free cash flow for 2022, thanks to our focus on high-quality revenue growth, disciplined promotion strategy, cost efficiency, and CapEx reduction of the recent years of heightened capital intensity, driven by the C-band and fiber investments. I'm proud to share that my team and I have taken actions to further our position of financial strength. Our strong cash generation enabled us to reduce net debt, strengthen our balance sheet, and deliver a higher dividend to our shareholders. We're working to bring our leverage ratio to pre-spectrum acquisition levels.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

During the third quarter, we paid down $2.6 billion in debt and increased our dividend for the 17th consecutive year, a current industry record that we take pride in. Our dividend coverage is very healthy. Year-to-date, our free cash flow dividend payout ratio is approximately 56%, a significant improvement from a year ago. In summary, in spite of an uncertain economic environment, we're on pace to finish 2023 strong. We're confident that we will deliver on the financial guidance that we issued to you at the start of the year, and this morning are announcing higher free cash flow guidance for 2023. Tony will provide you more details in a few moments. Now, let me share more on how our business units are driving our strategy forward.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

In the quarter, we delivered on our key growth areas, mobility, broadband, and private networks, thanks to our network, scale, and technology advantages. In consumer mobility, we achieved sequential and year-over-year improvements in postpaid phone net adds by continuing to put the customer at the center of everything we do. Rather than engaging in aggressive promotional activity, like others in the industry, we're offering our consumers optionality and flexibility to choose how they want to use our products and services. Our differentiated approach of segmentation and financial discipline is paying off with growth in postpaid phone gross adds and lower promotional cash costs. There is more work to be done, but our responsible approach position us to grow subscribers profitably. Since its launch in May, myPlan continues to deliver a personalized experience, giving our customers the value, choice, and control that they want.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

During the third quarter, we enhanced myPlan by adding Ultimate Unlimited, a third tier with more value and services, further increasing our premium mix and ARPA growth. This is just one example of the flexibility and speed to market that myPlan provides, and I'm excited about what is to come. Our targeted and segmented market approach also served us well during the iPhone 15 launch, and we continue to execute with an eye towards meeting our customers' needs while maintaining a disciplined approach. Our competitive position is now stronger, and we delivered positive consumer postpaid phone net adds in the month of September. We anticipate that momentum will continue as we're on track to exceed our postpaid phone net adds from Q4 of last year. Postpaid phone churn levels are stable, even with our targeted pricing actions throughout the year.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

We continue to see muted upgrade levels, which is something we're watching carefully and is a trend we expect will continue for the next few quarters. Turning to business mobility, Verizon Business Group delivered 151,000 phone net adds and reached our ninth consecutive quarter above 125,000. Businesses and governments continue to place an increased emphasis on best-in-class, reliable connectivity that only Verizon provides. Across mobility, postpaid phone net adds were 100,000, compared to 8,000 last year. We are the largest customer base in the industry and are still finding new ways to add customers through innovation, service quality, and a variety of offerings and partnerships that competitors cannot match. As we discussed before, we're seeking the optimal balance between price and quantity that allow us to grow our base profitably.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

In our value business, we have had negative volumes, but I'm encouraged by our quarter-over-quarter improvements. As I've said before, the value business is a key part of our growth strategy, and we will continue to invest in it and adjust to the needs of the market. As we mentioned last quarter, we believe we have seen the bottom for prepaid volumes, and the team is committed and working daily to grow our value business. Moving to broadband, we delivered another strong quarter with more than 400,000 new subscribers for the fourth quarter in a row. We finished Q3 with 10.3 million broadband subscribers, up by more than 1.7 million subscribers from a year ago, a 21% increase. Critical to the strength of this key area is fixed wireless access, something you know we deeply believe in.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Our fixed wireless access net adds of 384,000 continued to be strong, even with a recent $10 increase for new bundled customers. Further evidence of the demand for our product. Where FWA is available, our customers take it and love it, as seen by the high Net Promoter Score. I'm excited to also share that on the fiber side, we had 72,000 internet net adds for the quarter, up almost 20% year-over-year, and one of our best performances in seven years. Fios remains a coveted, high-quality service, and we continue to take share and deliver strong numbers, even in a lower-mover environment. When it comes to private networks, we see demand for the product continue to grow, especially those solutions built with licensed spectrum, which provides a more secure and differentiated experience for the end users.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Businesses are increasingly looking to us for the private network solutions, helping to grow our sales funnel and scale the number of installations each quarter. Let me end by talking about the backbone of our business, our network. During the third quarter, we obtained early access to our remaining C-band spectrum. In urban markets where our C-band is already deploying, we're firing on all cylinders and leveraging its full potential through software upgrades, delivering two-three times more spectrum depth. As a result, peak speeds go from 900 Mbps to an amazing 2.4 Gbps, enabling an even better experience for our customers. You've heard me say this before, but let me say it again. C-band is a game changer for our business, giving us better customer retention and step up, as well as strong broadband opportunity with fixed wireless access.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Every day, we see the benefits of our generation investment in C-band spectrum and the impact it will have for our customers for years to come, and our network is winning. This quarter, we received J.D. Power Awards in all six U.S. regions, receiving the most awards for wireless network quality for the thirty-first time in a row. We are the best network in the market, and we will extend our lead as we complete our C-band deployment, first augmenting urban areas and next year in suburban and rural markets. This is our key differentiator and the center of everything we do, and we're doing all of this in a responsible way. We're optimizing our network while returning to business-as-usual levels of CapEx. We're finding cost efficiencies across our business, both as a result of our new structure and by emphasizing profitability when evaluating new opportunities, like within business wireline.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Our cost efficiency program remains on track to meet our savings goal of $2 billion-$3 billion annually by 2025. Now, let me turn the call over to Tony to discuss our financial and operational performance in more detail.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Thanks, Hans, and good morning. Our results for the third quarter continue to demonstrate our progress towards our three priorities, growing wireless service revenue and driving EBITDA and free cash flow. As Hans said, we are executing on our plan and remain on track to meet our financial guidance for 2023. We've talked about improving our operational performance while maintaining financial discipline, with the third quarter results representing another proof point that demonstrates we can deliver improving key metrics and strong financials. Consumer postpaid phone net losses total 51,000 for the quarter, an improvement of 85,000 sequentially, and 138,000 compared to the prior year. During the quarter, we executed well in a low switcher environment, enabling postpaid phone gross add growth of 2.3% year-over-year.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Our postpaid phone churn of 0.85% represents a stable result, even after implementing over $1 billion of annualized pricing actions in 2023. Our segmented approach to the market and the structure and discipline of our promotional strategy helped to deliver strong postpaid phone gross adds and lower postpaid upgrades. The third quarter's consumer upgrade rate of 3.6% is down 150 basis points year-over-year. The quality of the business we are writing in consumer remains high, as myPlan continues to drive an elevated premium mix. Consumer ARPA of $133.47 increased sequentially by 1.2% and year-over-year by 4.5%. We expect to deliver further ARPA growth as a result of the innovations of myPlan, as well as our most recent pricing actions.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Verizon Business delivered another strong quarter, with 151,000 phone net adds, which, as Hans mentioned, is our ninth consecutive quarter above 125,000. While the macroeconomic environment is uncertain and businesses are more cautious than a year ago, mobility continues to be a top investment priority for our business customers. We expect to continue to deliver strong volumes and expand our relationships by leveraging our position as the wireless market share leader for small and medium businesses, large enterprises, and public sector customers. Moving on to broadband, we delivered 434,000 net additions, continuing the pace of over 400,000 net adds for the fourth quarter in a row. Customers are drawn to the quality of our service and overall value proposition for both FWA and Fios.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

For fixed wireless, gross add expansion drove 384,000 net adds for the quarter, growing the base to nearly 2.7 million subscribers. The addition of the second tranche of C-band spectrum will help us continue our FWA momentum as we work to build a long-term, sustainable business. Fios Internet net adds were 72,000, up 11,000 year-over-year. We're pleased with the success of Fios, with strong gross adds and retention reflecting the quality and overall value of the product. For prepaid, net losses of 207,000 represent the sequential improvement from the second quarter. We expect a better trajectory for the remainder of the year as the teams continue to scale some of our key brands, such as Visible and Total by Verizon, and execute on our ongoing integration efforts. Let's now look at our financials.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Consolidated revenue for the third quarter was $33.3 billion, down 2.6% year-over-year. The decline can be attributed to wireless equipment revenue, which was approximately 12% lower than the prior year, as postpaid upgrades declined 26%. Total wireless service revenue was $19.3 billion, up 2.9% year-over-year and up $217 million sequentially. Strong revenue benefited from targeted pricing actions, more customers selecting premium unlimited plans, and growth in fixed wireless access. Additionally, as a result of our discipline around promotions and lower upgrade volumes, we saw a further reduction in headwinds to service revenue growth associated with promo amortization. This was partially offset by pressure from prepaid, which reduced total wireless service revenue growth by approximately 60 basis points year-over-year.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was $12.2 billion, an increase of $267 million sequentially and up 0.2% compared to the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved by 100 basis points year-over-year, primarily driven by improved wireless service revenue and lower consumer postpaid upgrades. Operating expenses, excluding depreciation and amortization and special items, were down approximately 4% year-over-year, primarily due to the lower cost of equipment from reduced upgrade volumes. While bad debt is up year-over-year, it was once again flat sequentially, consistent with the first half of the year. We continue to make progress on our cost efficiency program, having recently implemented transformations within our consumer customer care group, as well as business managed services.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

We are on track to deliver $200 million-$300 million of savings in 2023, building momentum to generate incremental savings in 2024. Adjusted EPS was $1.22 and includes 0.03 of pressure from a reduction in capitalized interest due to the early clearance of C-band spectrum. We currently anticipate another incremental 0.03-0.04 of pressure in the fourth quarter. Turning the attention to cash flow. Cash flow from operating activities for the third quarter was $10.8 billion, bringing the 2023 year-to-date total to $28.8 billion. The year-to-date performance is up approximately $600 million compared to the prior year, primarily due to working capital improvements associated with fewer upgrades and lower inventory levels, partially offset by higher interest payments. Customer payments continue to be healthy, with consistent performance throughout the year.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

CapEx for the quarter came in at $4.1 billion, totaling $14.2 billion year-to-date. At this point, we expect 2023 CapEx to come in at the upper end of our guidance range of $18.25-$19.25 billion. The third quarter was the second consecutive quarter operating at our business as usual run rate. As a result, we would expect a reduction of approximately $4 billion of CapEx in 2023 compared to the prior year. Free cash flow for the third quarter was $6.7 billion, bringing our year-to-date total to $14.6 billion, a $2.2 billion improvement over the prior year. As Hans mentioned, we have generated more free cash flow in the first three quarters of this year than in all of 2022.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Based on our year-to-date results and the strength of our core business, we are pleased to raise our 2023 free cash flow guidance by $1 billion to more than $18 billion. We are raising guidance even with CapEx at the upper end of our range and absorbing the headwinds from interest expense. Strong free cash flow provides flexibility and enables us to deliver on our capital allocation priorities. As Hans said, within the third quarter, we executed a successful $2.6 billion dollar debt tender, of which a majority was floating rate, while also increasing our dividend once again. Additionally, given our cash position and the performance of the business, this month, we paid approximately $3.7 billion of spectrum clearing costs, primarily using operating cash flow. The remaining spectrum payments are minimal and will be made in 2024.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Net unsecured debt at the end of the quarter was $122.2 billion, an improvement of $4.3 billion from the end of second quarter and $7.1 billion lower year-over-year. We ended the quarter with $4.2 billion of cash on hand, which we are using to pay the clearing costs I just described. Our net unsecured debt to consolidated adjusted EBITDA ratio was 2.6 times as of the end of the third quarter, representing a 0.1 turn improvement year-over-year. Overall, I'm pleased with our ability to deliver stronger operational and financial trends. We are focused on finishing the year strong with continued improvements in volumes and financials, setting us up for meaningful deleveraging opportunities in 2024.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

I will now turn the call back to Hans for his closing thoughts before we open it up to your questions.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Thank you, Tony. I'm proud of the progress our team has made, and our operating results over the last three quarters should also give you confidence in us. We're delivering on our financial targets ahead of schedule on several key metrics and are restoring our leverage ratios to where we want them to be. We have a great network, and our free cash flow generation is industry-leading, and we have more than 10 million broadband subscribers, and that number is growing at near record rates. As we enter the final quarter of 2023, our goals are clear: deliver strong growth in wireless service revenue, EBITDA, and free cash flow. Our segmented and disciplined approach to consumer mobility is working, and we expect our momentum to continue building in the fourth quarter. Enabling all of this is America's best and most reliable 5G network.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Our C-band spectrum has already benefited mobility and broadband. Deploying the remaining C-band will make this network even stronger and more resilient, and I'm excited about the opportunities that lies ahead. Let me close with this. Our performance has put us firmly on track to meet our full-year financial targets and position us well as we approach 2024. We're excited to head into 2024 with all of our assets in place and a great team to execute our strategy. With that, I hand the call back to Brady for questions.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Thanks, Hans. Brad, we're ready to take questions this morning.

[Operator]

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one. Please unmute your phone and record your name clearly when prompted. Your name is required to introduce your question. To withdraw your request, please press star two. One moment, please, for the first question. The first question for today will come from Phil Cusick of J.P. Morgan. Your line is open, sir.

[Phil Cusick, Managing Director, Telecom Services Equity Research at J.P. Morgan]

Hi, guys. Thank you. Two, if I can. Tony, how should we think about the pieces of free cash flow growing or stability next year? And after making the C-band relocation payments, what obligations other than the dividend will prevent you from delevering? And then, Hans, as a follow-up, there's a lot of speculation about M&A in the fiber and wireless spaces lately. Can you talk about any interest you have in buying fiber or wireless assets in the market? And if so, what might be criteria for that? Thank you.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

I would start and hand it over to Tony. I mean, first, on the cash flow, I think you have seen us now the last couple of years, focusing very much on our service revenue expansion, EBITDA, and cash flow expansion, and all our incentives for the management is set there from the board, both short and long term. So this is a key thing for us to see that we are continuing to generate a lot of cash flow. Tony will take you through the puts and takes. Regarding fiber assets, first of all, I love our strategy. I mean, our strategy was clear from 2017. In the Fios footprint, of course, we build a lot of fiber, doing extremely well. You saw this quarter, again, a record quarter of Fios subscribers.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Outside, we build the One Fiber over a couple of years. We're basically in all the major markets, we have One Fiber to our own network. Right now, our strategy is clear that we want to take the broadband subscribers with fixed wireless access because we get them right now, it's a superior product, and we don't see a need right now for adding any fiber to that footprint. Over time, of course, we will always look into it, and anyone that would dispose any telecommunication assets in the market will talk to us, but the hurdle is high. I mean, we have a great network, and we have built a really good strategy around our technology.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Hi, Phil, good morning. So on the cash generation, so we're very pleased thus far. I'll start with where we are in the third quarter. So we're pleased with the cash generation of the business, the performance of the business, you know, and, and as you saw, the continued discipline that we had with promos and retention gave us the confidence to raise the free cash flow guide by $1 billion to more than 18 billion, and that's with CapEx at the upper end of the range and also with higher interest expense. So we feel very good about the balance of the year and our positioning heading into next year. Obviously, we're not going to guide on 2024 at this time, but I can share some qualitative aspects as we look ahead to free cash flow for 2024.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

On the plus side, we continue to focus the team on an improving EBITDA profile, and that's a big focus of the team. With respect to CapEx, we said a couple of times here in the past that we expect to run at 17 billion-17.5 billion for 2024, which is back to a business as usual level of spend that you've seen from us. And then we also strive to make continued improvements in working capital. And then offsetting that, we expect higher interest costs from both from the rate environment and the reduction in capitalized interest due to the early clearing of the C-band spectrum.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Then with taxes, as you know, under current legislation, taxes are going to be pressured by the continued phase out of bonus depreciation, and we'll see how that plays out. You know, so heading into 2024, you know, we continue to focus on strong free cash flow generation and opportunities for meaningful debt reduction, and, you know, we don't see any obstacles to delevering.

[Phil Cusick, Managing Director, Telecom Services Equity Research at J.P. Morgan]

Thanks to both you guys.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Yeah, great. Thanks, thanks, Phil. Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Simon Flannery of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open, sir.

[Simon Flannery, Managing Director, Telecom Services Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thank you very much. Good morning. Hans, you talked a lot about fixed wireless. You've got the rest of the C-band. Can you help update the fixed wireless footprint, the open for sale, and where you are today and how you get to the 50 million households or any updated target that you have there? And then, Tony, you talked a little bit about some of the pricing actions you've taken so far. Can you just tease out for us what you've recognized in Q3 and what I think you've talked about a tailwind going into Q4? So how we think about some of the kind of sequential benefits that are still to come. Thank you.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Simon, I can start with fixed wireless access. As you can see, we continue on that rhythm with 350-400 thousand every quarter. The additional C-band we got just a couple of weeks ago will initially go straight to augmenting our urban areas, where we already have the sites. Then in the early part of next year, we will also start deploying that in suburban and rural areas. Of course, that's an even greater opportunity for us because there are more underserved markets, and our fixed wireless access actually come extremely quickly into those markets. So that will just fortify our situation and how we want to roll this out. We have a target of four-five million subscribers by 2025. We keep that.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Of course, we have dimensioned our network for way more, and the team, of course, have internal targets that were set by me. But right now, there's nothing else than we want to deliver this target as well to the market. We always want to deliver what we tell the market, and we're going to do that, and then we have a conversation about that when we're past it.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Simon, on your question on pricing. So a few things here: We executed a number of pricing actions, as you saw. The legacy Mix & Match that we did earlier in September will yield about $100 million of incremental benefit in the fourth quarter. And we also see, you know, improving volumes on mobility and year-over-year improvements there. We also see an increasing contribution from fixed wireless access. You saw the growth we had in the quarter with 384,000 net adds. We have 2.7, almost 2.7 million subs in our base, so we feel very good about the momentum there. So, very good progress on service revenue and setting us up well for next year.

[Simon Flannery, Managing Director, Telecom Services Equity Research at Morgan Stanley]

Great. Thanks a lot.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Yeah. Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from John Hodulik of UBS. Your line is open, sir.

[John Hodulik, Managing Director, U.S. Communications Group Equity Research at UBS]

Great, thanks. Good morning, guys. And just two questions. First on upgrades. Obviously, you know, that number continues to come down. We're solidly into the sort of 3% range. I mean, Hans, in your prepared remarks, you sort of suggested that you know, you expect to see the same for the next few quarters. I guess two questions there. First of all, what do you... In your view, what is really driving it? And do you think that this is a temporary issue or that it'll go back to some sort of normalized rate? And then, you know, any comments on what that low rate is really doing for your business?

[John Hodulik, Managing Director, U.S. Communications Group Equity Research at UBS]

And then secondly, in the past, you guys have given some numbers and some metrics on what the C-band is doing for your business as it gets rolled out. Any update there? Are you still seeing improvement in things like gross adds, ARPU, churn, you know, as you roll that C-band out? Thanks.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Thanks, John. On the upgrade, as we're seeing now for a couple of quarters, when we started our segmented approach on the consumer side, where we actually tried to meet our customers in different segments with the right offerings, that, of course, have driven a lower upgrade rate. But as we are not doing a peanut butter spread, sort of, that everybody gets everything, so we are really trying to see that we have the right offer for our customer. And what is giving me confidence is that, our gross adds is just continuing to grow for us, so we have the right offering in the market together with myPlan. Of course, fourth quarter is always a little bit higher on upgrades because that's normally seasonality.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

But in general, I see that our model is working, and this is both helping our customers with the right offerings, but not only that, it's helping us with the bottom line and the cash flow generation that we're very focused here at Verizon. And then on the C-band, we see the same things as we have discussed before. We see lower churn where we deploy C-band. We see better step-ups or up step-ups in those regions. And then on top of it, we increase fixed wireless access. So, there's no difference on that. So I think, we same, same, and that's why we're so excited by C-band continue to roll out, and we have gotten hold of the all C-band here just a couple of weeks ago.

[Brett Feldman, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Great. Thanks, Hans.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Yep, Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Brett Feldman of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open, sir.

[Brett Feldman, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Thanks for taking the question. Coming back to service revenue growth as we're looking ahead into next year and maybe digging a little bit into ARPU drivers. I know you don't report postpaid phone ARPU, but it's clearly an important component of what drives your ARPA. And I was hoping you could give us some insight into how you're thinking about those drivers next year. So, for example, do you still see opportunity to make further pricing adjustments in the base? Could you maybe give us some insight into what the mix is looking like? And are you continuing to see the highest tiered plans being among the most popular? And then are there any headwinds that might be emerging in the ARPU dynamic we need to be taking account for? Thank you.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

So, let me start on the high level. I mean, first of all, we need to think about our total offering on wireless, and we haven't spoken so far much about the business side, but the business side, again, for the ninth quarter in a row, had more than 125,000 phone net adds, actually 150 plus. So they are doing really good in a market where our customers on that side is really looking on the performance of the network and the high-quality distribution we have. So I, I'm very pleased with that, and I have, I would like to say it. On the consumer side, I think we have found a model with myPlan and how we go to market.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

All the changes the consumer group and Sampath have done since earlier this year with the plans, decentralization, sales incentives, is helping us to be in the right proposition. Then we always look to all the new value add that we can give to our customers to broaden the scope for us and for our customers, like we did with the third tier on the network side, on myPlan, or that we took away the discount on the convergence within mobility and broadband and fixed wireless access in this quarter. So we will continue to look at it, but it's nothing that is the most important right now, because I think we have an offering that is really compelling to our customers.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Then, Brett, on the, on your service revenue question, some qualitative thoughts for you. On, on the plus side, I would say, look, the pricing actions we took this year obviously have a tailwind in the fourth quarter and carry over into next year, so we continue to see momentum there. Also, as I mentioned earlier, we do expect an improving volume profile in the consumer business, so that's something that the team is very focused on. fixed wireless access continues to scale. So, as I mentioned earlier, another 384,000 net adds, even as Hans said, you know, and taking away the discount as well, so the momentum is strong there. And continued increased premium mix with myPlan.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

So myPlan is seeing, you know, roughly 70%, premium mix, and we're very pleased with the progress there. And we're also seeing some of the headwinds from the promo amortization starting to ease a little bit. That's starting to flatten out, which is good news and also a function of all the discipline that we've had this year. And then offsetting that, as we've mentioned in the prepared remarks, prepaid continues to be a headwind in the near term as we continue to work to improve the business, and that's still ongoing. So those are the puts and takes in terms of service revenue.

[Brett Feldman, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs]

Thank you.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Michael Rollins of Citi. Your line is open.

[Michael Rollins, Analyst at Citi]

Thanks, and good morning. I'm curious if you can unpack the ways in which Verizon will look to achieve its cost-cutting targets through 2025, as well as how much of those benefits could come through in 2024 versus 2025? And then just separately on prepaid, just an update, would be great on the integration of TracFone and how Verizon is thinking about the opportunities and timing of potentially taking some of those prepaid customers and migrating them over to your postpaid base. Thanks.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Thank you, Mike. On the cost target, we are definitely on track for delivering on the two million-three million that we talked about when we launched a new structure. The new structure started this year, the first of January. We see a lot of tractions on it, and probably, as you follow us closely, you have seen that we have worked on the managed services side, together, with HCL. We have done a big transaction on the customer care side. We are doing a lot of transactions on the IT side. We're bringing more AI into the network and to the customer care.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

It's a lot of things ongoing, so I, I have a high confidence that we are finding, along the road there, all the savings we need, and the traction is very high in the company on efficiency, given that we have one organization right now, Verizon Global Services, supporting all others to see that we find the best measurements across the company. And I, I can go back to prepaid, and maybe, Tony has some more comments on the cost side.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Sure. Thanks. And, and Mike, just a couple of other additional points that Hans mentioned. So we're on track to deliver two billion-three billion, as Hans said. 200 million-300 million of that will come this year in 2023 in EBITDA, and that was already contemplated in the guide. Hans mentioned a lot of the initiatives. The other item I would mention is we're being very disciplined in business wireline by de-emphasizing low-margin deals, so that's something that the team is very, very focused on as well. We're not going to give cost targets for 2024 at this time, but we feel good that we have a good foundation that are driving EBIT improvements, and you saw it in the quarter with both sequential and year-over-year improvements in EBITDA.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

That's going to set the foundation, for an improving EBITDA profile in 2024.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

... On the value segment in prepaid and TracFone, as we said in the prepared remarks, we were at the low point the first half of 2023, and from here on, we should start sequentially improving. Secondly, this is really important for our strategy. We want to build a network once and have as many connections as possible and address the entire market on wireless, and of course, being strong and being the number one in the value segment is important.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Then from a market point of view, we all know that there has been some sort of a blend between the low end on postpaid and prepaid, which means that the volumes in prepaid is a little bit lower, and we have not been part of that transformation, or taking customer for prepaid. So what we're doing right now in our own operation, which is a lot, but one, we're building up a Total by Verizon, which is a great speed we have on opening new doors. That's gonna help us to move up to postpaid for the customers that want to do that, but also having high-end a value proposition. Secondly, we work with the national retailers that we have to see that we are fortifying our offerings in our store.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

And finally, you're seeing that Visible continues with the pace it has. And then we're working with a lot of other things. So it's a lot of ongoing here that gives us confidence that we will sequentially continue to improve. But clearly, this is very important for our overall strategy.

[Michael Rollins, Managing Director, U.S. Telecom and Communications Infrastructure Equity Research at Citi]

Thanks.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Brian Kraft of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open, sir.

[Bryan Kraft, Lead Equity Research Analyst, Media, Telecom, Cable & Video Games at Deutsche Bank]

Hi, good morning. I have a question on fixed wireless. There continues to be a lot of debate regarding the sustainability of fixed wireless served by macro cell sites, given the trajectory of broadband usage, and of course, the unit economics of radio access networks versus fiber. So really, I guess two questions. One, since you started the fixed wireless deployment, have your assumptions changed at all regarding usage or the number of fixed wireless customers you can optimally load the network with over time? And secondly, what developments have occurred in millimeter waves delivered fixed wireless this year? And, you know, how, at this point, are you thinking about millimeter wave evolving over the next couple of years as a scalable access technology? Thanks.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Hi, Brian. Our assumption has changed on fixed wireless access because our technology has improved more than we thought from the beginning. That means that we can take on even more capacity. We're only on the first inning on the software improvements and our optimization on the network. I think Joe and his team is doing a fantastic job with it. Customers are using it on the consumer side equally much as on the Fios, so that there's no difference on usage. So I think we have a great path forward with the technology, and we are not seeing everything we can do still with the fixed wireless access when it comes to software development, radio improvements, et cetera.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

I have no hesitation over the assumption we made, that we're actually having better assumptions today. When it comes to millimeter wave, that is playing a vital role for us for many reasons. First of all, it takes in all high-density areas, they take the majority of the capacity, and that's very important for several reasons. I unleashed the mid-band spectrum in order to have better performance on the street, but also in fixed wireless access. So millimeter wave will continue to play a very vital role. As we have said several times, we build very quickly in all major places, and now we're sort of augmenting where we see a lot of traffic.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

On top of that, of course, we see opportunities for using our millimeter wave also for MDUs over time to see that we address that market with fixed wireless access. So all in all, we still have a lot of technology evolution to see that we can serve even more customers with even better performance and more capacity. So I'm very happy, and as you've seen on fixed wireless access, our NPS scores is out of the chart. I mean, the customers loves it. It's easy, it's quick to deploy, it's self-install. So I think we hit it clearly with this product, and we want to push it with our team and see that our customer gets the right products.

[Bryan Kraft, Lead Equity Research Analyst, Media, Telecom, Cable & Video Games at Deutsche Bank]

Thank you, Hans.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Frank Louthan of Raymond James. Your line is open.

[Frank Louthan, Managing Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst, Telecommunications at Raymond James]

Great. Thank you very much. Quick question, and I apologize if this was addressed. Can you quantify how much of the interest expense going from capitalization to the income statement from the C-band? And then secondly, where are you as far as being able to utilize fixed wireless to help reduce costs for Type 2 circuits and that sort of thing? Thank you.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

I can start with the fixed wireless access, and Tony will... Yeah, yeah, great question. Sometimes we're focused on fixed wireless access being sort of a consumer solution for broadband. Today, we sell a lot of fixed wireless access for in the business segment as well, both for large enterprises and for small and medium customers, which has a different usage pattern, which is great. And also we see, and Kyle has discussed that several times, he see also this is a way of optimizing our access cost by having fixed wireless access as the bearer of transport in many cases.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

So clearly, again, this is how we built our network from the beginning, to be able, from the data center to the edge of the network, have a totally harmonized network that can fastly move all the data. And then at the edge of the network, we will have different type of access technologies in order to serve our customers. And fixed wireless access can serve many different use cases, and we tend to talk a lot about the consumer fixed wireless access use case, but I have, or Kyle have a lot of use cases in the business segment. And as if you look at the numbers this quarter, he's continuing to add a lot of fixed wireless access customers as well.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

... And then, Frank, on the capitalized interest question, in the quarter, we saw about 0.03 of pressure from capitalized interest from the time we got the licenses. And then for the fourth quarter, we estimate 0.03-0.04 of pressure from capitalized interest. So I hope that helps.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

All right, great. Thank you.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from David Barden of Bank of America. Your line is open.

[David Barden, Managing Director, Senior Telecommunications Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America]

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Two, if I could, just the first one, Hans, you know, at the very beginning of the call, you, you said that you were being really successful at, at three things, mobility, broadband, and private networks. And, and we haven't really heard a lot about what you're doing in private networks, what your goals are, what your successes have been. So if you could elaborate a little bit on what that is and, and why it's one of the big three things that we should care about Verizon being good at, it would be super helpful. And then the second is, maybe this is more Tony.

[David Barden, Managing Director, Senior Telecommunications Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America]

Just, I think we just touched on it a little bit, but the success that you guys have been having in the postpaid phone subscriber net adds in business, could you elaborate a little bit on where that's coming from? Like, you know, given that the consumer isn't growing, how is it that the business continues to be so successful quarter after quarter-after-quarter, and should we assume that that just can continue? Thank you so much.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Thank you, David. On the private networks, yeah, a good question. What is happening in the private network right now is that we are doing a proof of concept to go to commercials. We have ramped up a fantastic funnel. We're starting getting more and more deals every quarter. They start pretty small. They start sort of like a Wi-Fi substitution. And then when the... It works, let's say you have one big, this logistics company, they take it to one logistics center, and then they do it in all. We are in that phase of ramping that up to do in one-to-many at the moment. What we have done, we have done two things very important. We have cut the lead times from proof of concept to actually, to commercial deal.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

And it's very clear for our customers that the capacity, the security, and the low latency is a game changer for them when they see it. And secondly, we also now have an ecosystem of products, infrastructure, modem, chipset, phones, and radios that can serve different use cases. So that's why we're excited over it. We're not gonna see any significant revenues that has an impact on Verizon overall in 2024. We're gonna see that in 2025. But what is important is that this is an area we've never been into. This is a total new term we can address by running private networks for different industries, for different large enterprises across the country. With our distribution and technology, I see this as a great opportunity how we use our spectrum.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

So that's why we pay a lot of attention to it and with a lot of opportunities coming to it. And before Tony talks about the business segment and the wireless, I would say one main reason why we continue to do so well is our network is the best. I mean, if you ask any of our enterprise customers or SMB customers, the reliability and the performance of our network is just the best, and that is a very important buying criteria in that segment. Tony?

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Sure. So Dave, a couple of things. You know, we're pleased again with the strong results from Kyle and the team. We saw great phone net adds in the quarter, 151,000 and over 430,000 year-to-date. We saw healthy demand across the board. That would be enterprise, public sector, and small, medium biz. And that performance is in a very, you know, uncertain environment. And as Hans said, you know, strong results validate that businesses continue to trust the Verizon network, even during uncertain economic times. And, you know, we do see certain, you know, pressures in certain sectors, and we're certainly not immune to it, but that we're not seeing anything significant.

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

And from a competitive standpoint, I would tell you that we're being very disciplined, and we're not gonna chase bad deals that are, that are unprofitable. The other thing I would mention is FWA volumes also continue at a strong pace in, in business, and we had 132,000 net adds in the third quarter and over 400,000 year-to-date. So we have great momentum, you know, heading into the fourth quarter here and as we set up for next year.

[David Barden, Managing Director, Senior Telecommunications Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America]

And if I could, just one more, and I apologize. Thank you, Tony. So Hans, it's been six months since the team kind of got reset and you put all the people to work. You know, the results seem to be moving in the right direction. Are you... How happy are you with the choices you made right now?

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

I'm very happy with the choices. I think, as always, when you make a change, and we did quite a big change, I mean, I think six out of the eight seats in the leadership team changed in one swoop. I think we had good alignment, from the first week, what we need to do, all the way from Kyle, Tony, and Sampath, which was very important, and Joe, which is sort of the four operational units. And you can see the results right now. I mean, the guys are executing extremely well. So no, I'm happy with it. I'm gonna push them even harder, but these guys are really good. You know, they take hard pressure, and they deliver on it. So no, I'm happy on the choices, and the team is doing well.

[David Barden, Managing Director, Senior Telecommunications Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America]

Great. Thanks, guys.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Yep. Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Craig Moffett of MoffettNathanson. Your line is open.

[Craig Moffett, Partner, Senior Analyst at MoffettNathanson]

Hi, thank you. Maybe starting with Tony. Tony, can you talk about what contribution you're getting from-

[Tim Horan, Managing Director, Senior Analyst, Cloud and Communication Services at Oppenheimer]

... your wholesale wireless revenues as the cable industry scales? And then, could you just talk about what benefits that's having in terms of margin accretion and what have you? And then, I wonder how we should think about potential risk to that revenue stream as Comcast and Charter start to roll out strand-mounted small cells to potentially offload more of that traffic onto their own networks?

[Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon]

Okay. So a few things here. So as you know, you know, we can't discuss the particular economics of any commercial deal, and that includes the commercial deals we have with the cable companies. What I can tell you is that we are very happy with the MVNO agreements, and those agreements are accretive. It's important business for us, and as Hans said many times, it's consistent with our strategy to monetize the network. It's very profitable business for us. It's growing, and we're very comfortable with the arrangement. But that's as far as we'll go.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

All right. Thanks, Craig. Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Kannan Venkateshwar from Barclays. Your line is open, sir.

[Kannan Venkateshwar, Managing Director, U.S. Telecom & Cable at Barclays]

Thank you. So maybe Hans, for you, in terms of the fixed wireless business, when you think about, you know, the capacity that you have with C-band, and you've talked a couple of times about momentum heading into next year as you expand into other footprints, is there any kind of a, a, a goalpost that you have in terms of, the kind of growth you're, growth aspirations that you have, to balance it with the capacity use that the network may have? So, you know, the 350, 400 kind of a number, does it go to 500, or is there some kind of a, a framework you guys are thinking about in terms of, your aspiration there? Thanks.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Thank you, Kannan. I think on the fixed wireless access, we have said a couple of times that we like the rhythm on 400,000 per quarter because it's putting our, sort of our, our operations in the right mode of deploying this. As we have also decentralized or regionalized our go-to-market, we can work with the markets where we actually open for sale fixed wireless access, work with the local community, work with the local government, and also address it through our stores. We can focus our efforts in that region and see that we capture all the demand and the funnel we have there. We think it's a good model that we have right now, and that's also...

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

There are some laws of physics, how quickly we can roll out, the C-band, but I can tell you, there's no one holding back any investments here in order to get the C-band, to our customers as soon as possible. So I think we, we will continue to look at that, I mean, that type of levels, going forward as well, and that will help us with, reaching any goalposts we have or whatever goalposts we're communicating to the market.

[Kannan Venkateshwar, Managing Director, U.S. Telecom & Cable at Barclays]

Got it. Thank you.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Yep.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Brad, we're ready for the next question.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Greg Williams of TD Cowen. Your line is open.

[Greg Williams, Equity Research Analyst, Telecommunications at TD Cowen]

Great, thanks for taking my questions. First one, Hans, you mentioned the improving KPIs when you launched C-band in the markets, you know, similar to last quarter as well. Just what thinking, should we see chart improvements from here as the C-band sort of maturates in these markets, or have we reached sort of optimal levels? And then second one, just on, you know, media reports suggesting that you're hiring feverishly on the wireline side, and I'm just thinking about, you know, your fiber to the home builds. You know, maybe it's not on the M&A side, but you said it's high hurdle, but on the organic side, if you would, you know, bring up your builds or even the, the BEAD opportunity there. Thanks.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Okay. On the KPIs, you're correct. And when we roll out the C-band, we have better retention and better step-ups, and of course, we also expect that we can take share. I think in the consumer side and the business side, in both sides, we see opportunities as we come with a fixed wireless access to this market and with the C-band. So there is share gains we are planning to do here, and our teams are very focused on it going forward. The second question was around fiber in our ILEC, I guess. And we are not holding back on that. I mean, first of all, you saw how great we're doing this quarter with Fios. We'll continue to invest in Fios to see where our customers.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Outside the Fios, our primary strategy is to build on our One Fiber and do fixed wireless access to capture the market before anybody else is even remotely there. That's what we do. Then over time, as I've said 100 times, I'm gonna have optionality if I would have another access technology over time, but that's not in the cards right now. We have all the, the capacity and the technology out in the fields right now, and the quicker we can come out, the quicker we can meet the demand that's out there and meeting the customer that wants, our broadband, which is a lot of them.

[Greg Williams, Equity Research Analyst, Telecommunications at TD Cowen]

Got it. Thank you.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Yep. Hey, Brad, we have time for one more question, please.

[Operator]

Your last question will come from Tim Horan of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

[Tim Horan, Managing Director, Senior Analyst, Cloud and Communication Services at Oppenheimer]

Thanks, guys. Hans, just stepping back a second, can you talk about the ability for yourselves and the industry to monetize all the investments the last few years, you know, both to accelerate growth and free cash flow? And, you know, how important is pricing here? Because inflation is running 4%, GDP is growing above 5%, inflation is probably above 4% again next year, and we're not really seeing much, you know, revenue growth. So, you know, what do you think needs to be done for the industry to kind of monetize all the investments? Thanks.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

I can talk for ourself. I think we are in a moment where we actually are monetizing by being very segmented, both in our business side and in our consumer side, and that we both having the right offers for our customers, at the same time, we are generating bottom line for ourselves. So, I think that's where we are, and we have done some price adjustment, but that has also included new values for our customers. I think we've now are coming to a moment where we're probably gonna have a little bit more of quantities, not only price, given the trajectory we have in our business right now. So we're gonna balance that out, doing the right for our customers, but also doing right for our shareholders...

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

And then we're, of course, adding that with our broadband growth, which is also helping us. And then, as Tony said, we're taking out costs at the same time. So that's how we work, and that's why we can lift the the free cash flow for this year, the guidance, even though we're on the high end on our CapEx guidance, as well as higher or headwinds from the interest rate. So that tells you a little bit how we feel about our business, how we now have the right propositions in the market, and we can sort of retooling that if something happen. But right now, we feel confident about the model we have.

[Tim Horan, Managing Director, Senior Analyst, Cloud and Communication Services at Oppenheimer]

Related to that, I know you want to get that EBITDA back to pre-auction levels. Do you have a kind of a timeframe on that? Or just remind us what, you know, what... How do you do that?

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Yeah, so what we have said before was that we want to come to a ratio of 2.25 of net debt to EBITDA. And we are gonna continue to work our way down, and that is a primary goal for us. Number one, in the capital allocation, is to invest in our business. Number two, is continue to put our board in a position so they can increase our dividend. We are on 17 years of consecutive increases, and thirdly, we're paying down our debt. When we come to that ratio, we will start having a conversation about buybacks. But we want to do buybacks, not as a one-off or something. It has to be a consecutive program all the time.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

We're not there yet, but the team is doing a great job. Tony talked about the 2.6 billion that reduced the debt this quarter, with the tenders we have done. So we will continue to do that with the cash flow that we're yielding right now.

[Tim Horan, Managing Director, Senior Analyst, Cloud and Communication Services at Oppenheimer]

Thank you.

[Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon]

Yeah, thanks, Tim. Brad, before we end the call, I want to turn it back over to Hans for a few closing statements here.

[Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO at Verizon]

Before we close, I want to take a moment to address the humanitarian crisis in Israel and Palestine that has continued to escalate over the past few weeks. At Verizon, we stand against terrorism in all its forms and condemn the violence that has claimed the lives of so many innocent civilians. The Verizon Foundation has committed a 2 million donation to organizations supporting relief efforts, and we continue to waive international long-distance charges for calls and texts from the U.S. to the region. My hope is that we will move to a peaceful resolution as soon as possible. In the meantime, we need to come together as a society and lean into what connect us, not what divides us.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. Thank you for your participation and for using Verizon Conference Services. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Hans Vestberg, Chairman and CEO

Analysts

• Brady Connor, Senior VP of Investor relations at Verizon
• Brett Feldman, Managing Director at Goldman Sachs
• Bryan Kraft, Lead Equity Research Analyst, Media, Telecom, Cable & Video Games at Deutsche Bank
• Craig Moffett, Partner, Senior Analyst at MoffettNathanson
• David Barden, Managing Director, Senior Telecommunications Equity Research Analyst at Bank of America
• Frank Louthan, Managing Director, Senior Equity Research Analyst, Telecommunications at Raymond James
• Greg Williams, Equity Research Analyst, Telecommunications at TD Cowen
• John Hodulik, Managing Director, U.S. Communications Group Equity Research at UBS
• Kannan Venkateshwar, Managing Director, U.S. Telecom & Cable at Barclays
• Michael Rollins, Analyst at Citi
• Michael Rollins, Managing Director, U.S. Telecom and Communications Infrastructure Equity Research at Citi
• Phil Cusick, Managing Director, Telecom Services Equity Research at J.P. Morgan
• Simon Flannery, Managing Director, Telecom Services Equity Research at Morgan Stanley
• Tim Horan, Managing Director, Senior Analyst, Cloud and Communication Services at Oppenheimer
• Tony Skiadas, EVP and CFO at Verizon