Mastercard Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 26, 2023

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Audra, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Mastercard Incorporated Q3 2023 Earnings pressing star 1 multiple times may affect your position in the queue. Mr. Devin Kaur, Head of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Audra. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 2023 earnings call. With me today are Michael Miebach, our Chief Executive Officer and Sachin Mehra, our Chief Financial Officer. Following comments from Michael and Sachin, the operator will announce your opportunity to get into the queue for the Q and A session. It is only then that the queue will open for questions.

Speaker 1

You can access our earnings release, supplemental performance data and the slide deck that accompany this call in the Investor Relations section of our website, mastercard.com. Call. Additionally, the release was furnished with the SEC earlier this morning. Our comments today regarding our financial results will be on a non GAAP on a currency neutral basis unless otherwise noted. Both the release and the slide deck include reconciliations of non GAAP measures to GAAP reported amounts.

Speaker 1

Call. Finally, as set forth in more detail in our earnings release, I'd like to remind everyone that today's call will include forward looking statements regarding Mastercard's future performance. Actual performance could differ materially from these forward looking statements. Information about these factors that could affect future performance are summarized at the end of our earnings release and in our recent SEC filings. A replay of this call will be posted on our website for 30 days.

Speaker 1

With that, I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Yback.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Devin. Good morning from New York, everyone. Let me start by acknowledging the recent terror attacks in Israel and the resulting war with Hamas and the growing humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We're deeply saddened by the suffering and the loss. Our focus is on the well-being of our people, those who have been directly impacted and those in our teams around the world who are dealing with this terrible situation.

Speaker 2

We will continue to give them support while contributing to relieve efforts. We will monitor the situation closely so we can take action call

Speaker 3

as required.

Speaker 2

Turning to our results. Our quarter 3 results demonstrate the strong fundamentals of our business, a diversified model and the continued resilience in consumer spending. Quarter 3 net revenues were up 11% and operating income was up 13% both versus a year ago on a non GAAP currency neutral basis excluding special items. On the macroeconomic front, there are a few factors we focus on. 1st, the labor market remains strong, which is a key driver of consumer spending.

Speaker 2

However, We continue to monitor aspects such as credit availability and savings behaviors. 2nd, although inflation levels have moderated, they remain elevated. As central banks continue to actively manage monetary policy, we expect the impacts to vary across countries and sectors. Also, geopolitical uncertainty remains a concern, further underscored by the recent events in the Middle East. We are monitoring these moving pieces and stand ready to manage the business accordingly.

Speaker 2

Looking at our switch trends this quarter, Domestic volume growth remains healthy with some moderation in spend in select international markets. Cross border travel remains strong at 155 percent of 2019 levels in the 3rd quarter. And cross border card present, ex travel, continues to hold up well at 209 percent of 2019 levels in the Q3. And this is cross border card not present ex travel. So overall, consumer spending remains resilient and we remain focused on executing against our strategic priorities.

Speaker 2

We see substantial runway for growth through The long term potential in person to merchant payments, the sizable opportunity to address new payment flows, our diverse suite of fast growing service capabilities and our investments in areas of future growth like open banking and digital identity. Let's explore these in more detail. Starting with person to merchant payments, where we see a sizable long term growth opportunity. We're winning deals with a diverse set of partners and investing in technology to further drive the shift to electronic forms of payment and capture new ways to pay. The Q3, our deal momentum across the globe continued.

Speaker 2

In the U. S, we are happy to announce that Webster Bank, a leading commercial bank in the Northeast, has chosen Mastercard as their exclusive payment network. They selected us because of our marketing assets, safety and security tools and commitment to small business. This builds up on recent wins in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Like the Citizens debit portfolio flip with the transition on track for 2024. These two wins are clear examples of the value we deliver through our partnerships and the reasons banks are willing to move their debit business to Mastercard. Further, we have partnered with Citi's Wealth business to launch their ultra high net worth credit proposition, targeting their private bank clients in Singapore and Hong Kong. And in East Africa, we signed a long term deal with Equity Bank Group that significantly increases our share across the 6 markets where they have presence. On the co brand front, we joined Barclays to launch Xbox first credit card in the United States.

Speaker 2

Building off our long standing relationship with Microsoft, This product is an example of how we're tapping into the fast growing gaming space. And of course, we continue to strengthen our travel focused programs, renewing our Frontier Airlines program issued by Barclays as well as the Turkish Airlines program with guaranty BBVA. Winning deals positions us well to capture PCE and secular growth. There's a sizable opportunity across volumes and transactions, and we benefit from both. We're bringing together innovation, technology, the experience and trust that consumers want and expect in their daily lives.

Speaker 2

And that starts with our best in class digital solutions such as contactless and tokenization. Contactless now represents 63% of our in person switch purchase transactions and the convenience and security of our capabilities are helping us to further penetrate verticals like transit. By converting transit to open loop, we gain access to more low ticket high frequency transactions both at the station and the surrounding merchants. In the last quarter alone, we launched open loop programs with 2 of the largest transit systems in North America, Toronto and Philadelphia. We're now live with over 25 agencies in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And Canada. This year in the Netherlands, we supported the launch of a nationwide contactless transit payment system. And in Pakistan, we're helping to digitize daily commutes in Karachi with issuance over 1,000,000 prepaid open loop cards. On tokenization, it has been 10 years since we first introduced the token standard to the industry.

Speaker 2

Today, it is foundational to the network and it's performing exceptionally well. The number of tokenized transaction has more than doubled over the past 2 years. We just processed over 3,000,000,000 tokenized transactions in 1 month. And this functionality is extending to new places to pay. For example, Mercedes Benz customers in Germany can now pay for fuel directly from their vehicle using only their fingerprint.

Speaker 2

And Hyundai Motor America is enabling in vehicle payments for parking with additional features and EV use cases to be enabled in the future. Digital solutions are also key to migrating myEstrill to debit Mastercard. This conversion drives a better cardholder experience, including in many cases, the ability to shop online and across borders, which leads to incremental card spend. And prior to full transition, we offer a virtual companion card to the current Maestro cards for immediate online news. In Europe, we're in the process of sunsetting new issuance of Maestro, and we will continue to work with our shows on the migration of well over 100,000,000 cards over time.

Speaker 2

A lot happening in P2M for sure. On to the 2nd vector for growth, new payment flows. There are substantial untapped flows across commercial payments and the disbursements and remittance space. In commercial, we continue to see strong growth. We're expanding our market leading virtual card capabilities into new use cases.

Speaker 2

In the U. S. And Canada, our mobile payment solution is now live with BMO and Fintech partner Extend bringing our virtual card capabilities to contactless business payments. We also continue to expand our reach to corporates by partnering with Oracle to embed Mastercard Virtual Card capabilities into their FusionCloud ERP to enable supplier invoice payments and corporate purchases. And we are integrating our commercial payment and open banking capabilities into SAP Fioneer platforms to deliver an embedded payment and lending experience.

Speaker 2

There remains a significant opportunity to convert cash and check to commercial card products. We're signing deals across the globe to do just that. Call. We're excited to announce that we have agreed a long term deal with Citibank to forge a global commercial card partnership covering more than 60 markets. The deal extends our leadership position with Citibank and reinforces our efforts to modernize and grow B2B payment flows.

Speaker 2

We also signed our first ever commercial contract with Axis Bank in India and a commercial deal with the biggest investment bank in Latin America, B. T. J. Bhaktual. Now let's focus on disbursements and remittances.

Speaker 2

With access to more than 95% of the world's bank population, our reach spans more than 180 countries and more than 150 currencies, and we are seeing strong growth. In the Q3 transactions were up more than 30% on a year over year basis. To continue growing in the space, we're expanding into new use cases and geographies. A great example is our partnership with Remitly, one of the fastest growing digital remittance platforms with over 5,000,000 active users. Remitly will leverage our disbursement and remittance solutions to help make international payments faster, easier and more secure.

Speaker 2

We're also expanding our collaboration with PayStand in the U. K. To enhance cross border payments for SMEs. Now our value add services and solutions are another important driver for our growth. Collectively, this suite of capabilities is fast growing and provides a diversified revenue stream.

Speaker 2

We have invested thoughtfully to develop services focused on supporting our customers in areas of growing need. Cybersecurity threats are rising, a trend that will unfortunately persist, and there's an increasing demand for actionable insights and more personalized experiences. Our services bolstered by our data driven intelligence can help customers reduce fraud, grow their portfolios and better engage with their end customers. Take our cyber solutions, which protect consumers and the payments ecosystem more broadly. One example is SafetyNet, which is in the which in the past 12 months has prevented more than $20,000,000,000 in fraud.

Speaker 2

This is just one of our many fraud solutions that we're deploying to deliver more value and support continued growth. AI also continues to play a critical role powering our products and fueling our network intelligence. With scaling our AI powered transaction fraud monitoring solution, which delivers real time predictive scores based on a unique blend of customer and network level insights. This powerful solution gives our customers the ability to take preventive action before the transaction is authorized. This quarter alone, we signed agreements in Argentina, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria with financial institutions and fintechs who will benefit from early fraud detection and with merchants who will experience less friction and higher approval rates.

Speaker 2

In the end, this all makes for a better consumer experience. We're also using our services combining our data and expertise to help clients optimize and do more with their portfolios. This drives both direct services revenue and incremental payments revenue. Our consulting, marketing services and targeting analytics help clients design and execute portfolio migrations, drive incremental card acquisition and stimulate spend. For example, in Spain, we are working with Finantera at Corte Ingles to boost the migration of closed loop clients to our new open loop co badge proposition.

Speaker 2

And we're working with Saudi National Bank to enable growth in their credit portfolio by increasing penetration from their debit base. So the headline for me is the power of our strategy to drive payment network and service revenue for Mastercard. Service improved the performance of our clients portfolio, leading to incremental payment flows, which lead to more opportunities to use our services and so on and so on, it's a virtuous circle. We also had success in expanding our customer base and services through best in class personalization in our leading test and learn analytics capabilities. Don't just take our word for it.

Speaker 2

Gartner the superior value proposition of dynamic yields personalization activities and selected it as the leader in its 2023 Gartner Magic Quadrant for the 3rd year in a row. That's why luxury brands like Saks Fifth Avenue work with us to create hyper personalized experiences for their e commerce customer. This quarter, we extended our partnership with the merchant Aldi in both the U. S. And Australia to continue to leverage our test and learn platform to optimize category reviews, store hours and marketing spend.

Speaker 2

And we're working with Duncan International to enhance their foundational data analytics capabilities to improve operational efficiencies. Our best in class solutions address the unique needs of a diverse set of customers, giving us ample opportunity to continue to grow across our value add services and solutions. We have a strong foundation for growth in P2M as discussed continues to rise, open banking remains a key opportunity. We have a powerful set of assets with connectivity to over 95% of deposit accounts in the U. S.

Speaker 2

And 3,000 banks across Europe. We're engaged with a broad set of partners who are increasingly interested in the scale and potential of the open banking solutions we bring. This includes the account to account bill payments use case. Our banking Open Banking solutions enhance existing ACH flows by providing a simple and pure experience allowing consumers to seamlessly share data with trusted parties. Previously announced partnership with JPMorgan Payments Pay by Bank is now live and Verizon plans to pilot this offering with the U.

Speaker 2

S. Customers in the coming months. In addition to this, we're now collaborating with Worldpay to pay bills directly from their bank account. Our progress here continues. So in summary, our 3rd quarter results reflect the strong fundamentals of our business and the continued resilience in consumer spending, there's substantial runway supported by opportunities to digitize person to merchant payments across both the dollar volume of flows and the number of transactions and opportunities to address new payment flows and extend our diverse suite of services, all while we continue to invest in future areas for growth.

Speaker 2

When you put it all together, our diversified business is well positioned for strong growth for years to come. Sachin, over to you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Michael. Now turning to Page 3, which shows our financial performance for the quarter on a currency neutral basis, excluding where applicable, special items and the impact of gains and losses on our equity investments. Net revenue was up 11%, reflecting resilient domestic consumer spending and strong cross border volume growth as well as the continued growth in our value added services and solutions. Operating expenses increased 9%, including a 1 ppt increase from acquisitions and operating income was up 13%, including a minimal impact from acquisitions. Net income and EPS increased 21% 24%, respectively, both reflecting the strong operating income growth as well as a net tax benefit, which was primarily discrete due to U.

Speaker 4

S. Tax guidance released in the current period. EPS was $3.39 which includes a $0.09 contribution from share repurchases. During the quarter, we repurchased $1,900,000,000 worth of stock and an additional $475,000,000 through October 23, 2023. So let's turn to Page 4, where you can see the operational metrics for the Q3.

Speaker 4

Worldwide gross dollar volume or GDV increased by 11% year over year on a local currency basis. In the U. S, GDV increased by 5% with credit growth of 7% and debit growth of call 4%. Outside of the U. S, volume increased 13% with credit growth of 13% and debit growth of 14%.

Speaker 4

Sequentially, the debit growth rate was primarily impacted by the lapping of the NatWest portfolio migration in the UK. Overall, cross border volume increased 21% globally for the quarter on a local currency basis, reflecting continued strong growth in both travel and non travel related cross border spending. While this is sequentially lower versus Q2, this is due to tougher comps as we lap the cross border travel recovery from last year. When you look at the trend versus 2019, as Michael said, cross border travel remained strong at 155% of 2019 levels in Q3 and cross border card not present ex travel continues to hold up well. Turning now to Page 5, switched transactions grew 15% year over year in Q3.

Speaker 4

Both card present and card not present growth rates remain strong. We also continue to increase the percentage of transactions we switch. This is strategically important for us as it presents a revenue growth opportunity in both payments and services. An example of this is in Japan, where we began switching domestic transactions last September. In Q3 2023, we switched over 65% of our total transactions worldwide.

Speaker 4

For historical context, this figure was approximately 55% in 2018. In addition, card growth was 7%. Globally than a $3,300,000,000 Mastercard and Maestro branded calls issued. Turning to Slide 6 for a look into our net revenues for the Q3 discussed on a currency neutral basis. Payment Network net revenue increased 10%, primarily driven by domestic and cross border transaction and volume growth and also includes growth in rebates and incentives.

Speaker 4

Value added services and solutions net revenue increased 14% relative to a strong Q3 a year ago. So let me give you a little bit of color. Our cyber and intelligence solutions continue to grow at a healthy pace driven by our underlying key drivers and demand for our fraud and security solutions. And we continue to see strong demand for our consulting and marketing services as well as our loyalty solutions, which is partially tempered by other solutions. Now let's turn to Page 7 to discuss key metrics related to the payment network, again described on a currency neutral basis unless otherwise noted.

Speaker 4

Looking quickly at each metric, domestic assessments were up 10%, while worldwide GDV grew 11%. The difference is primarily driven by mix. Cross border assessments increased 26%, while cross border volumes increased 21%. The 5 ppt difference is primarily due to mix. Transaction processing assessments were up 11%, while switch transactions grew 15%.

Speaker 4

The 4 ppt difference is primarily due to lower revenues related to FX volatility versus the prior year. Our network assessments related to licensing, implementation and other franchise fees were $229,000,000 this quarter. Call. As a reminder, these other network assessments may fluctuate from period to period. Moving on to Page 8, you can see that on a non GAAP

Speaker 3

on a currency neutral

Speaker 4

basis, excluding special items, total adjusted operating expenses increased 9%, including a 1 ppt impact from acquisitions. This increase was primarily due to increased spending on personnel to support the continued execution of our strategic initiatives. Now turning to Page 9, let me comment on the operating metric trends in the Q3 and through the 1st 3 weeks of October. Starting with switched volume growth year over year, we lapped the NatWest migration early in the quarter and the commencement of switching in Japan late in the quarter. These factors are the primary drivers of the sequential declines in both Q3 and into October.

Speaker 4

One point on the U. S, the sequential drop in October primarily relates to the timing of certain Social Security payments this year versus last. Switch transactions follow similar patterns. Looking at cross border, cross border travel growth is being impacted by tougher comps as we continue to lap the recovery of travel. When compared to the 2019 index, cross border travel metrics remain strong.

Speaker 4

Cross border card not present ex travel continues to show strength. Just for your information, we have included all the data points from the schedule, excluding activity from Russian issued cards from current and prior periods in the appendix. Turning to Page 10, I wanted to share our thoughts on Q4. So let me start by saying consumer spending remains resilient and that our diversified business model continues to position us well for the many opportunities ahead. That being said, we are closely monitoring the elevated macro and geopolitical concerns and stand ready to adjust expenses should circumstances warrant.

Speaker 4

Consumer spending patterns continue to normalize post pandemic, This will take some time as these corridors continue to face a variety of constraints. Having said this, our base case scenario continues to assume consumer spending remains resilient, buoyed by strong labor markets and reflects recent spending dynamics. With respect to the Q4, we expect year over year net revenue to grow at the low end of a low double digits rate on a currency neutral basis, excluding acquisitions. Acquisitions are expected to have a minimal impact to this growth. Due to the recent strengthening of the U.

Speaker 4

S. Dollar in Q4, Foreign exchange is now expected to be a tailwind of approximately 0 to 1 ppt for the quarter as compared to the 3% to 4% PPT benefit we had previously expected. This follows the impact we saw in the Q3 where the stronger dollar led to a foreign exchange benefit of 2 ppt to revenue, down from our initial expectations of a 3 ppt benefit. From an operating expense standpoint, we expect Q4 operating expenses to grow at a high single digit rate versus a year ago on a currency neutral basis, excluding acquisitions and special items. Acquisitions are forecast to add about 1 ppt to this growth and foreign exchange is expected to be a headwind of between 0 to 1 ppt for the quarter.

Speaker 4

Other items to keep in mind. On the other income and expense line, We forecast an expense of approximately $85,000,000 for Q4. This excludes gains and losses on our equity investments, which are excluded from our non GAAP metrics. Finally, we expect a tax rate of approximately 18% to 19% in Q4 based on the current geographic mix of our business. And with that, I will turn the call back over to Devin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Sacha. Thank you, Michael. Arja, you can now open the call up for questions.

Operator

We'll take our first question from Sanjay Sakhrani at KBW.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning. Sachin, when we look at that 4th quarter revenue deceleration, I think what the outlook implies, how much of it is like macro versus Timing of incentives or something like that. I'm just curious, what factors are sort of driving that and how we should think about that outlook if there's still moderating trends going forward? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Sure, Sanjay. So A couple of thoughts. 1, in the Q4, you remember last year, we continued to experience elevated levels of FX volatility in the Q4 of last year. And those FX volatility levels are certainly moderated by a meaningful extent. You saw some of that come through in Q3.

Speaker 4

There's more that we would expect at current volatility levels in Q4. So that's certainly baked into our thinking. And then to your point around rebates and incentives, look, We continue to compete in this market and we have a strong pipeline of deals. We continue to win as you've seen in the nature of the various announcements we've put out. And I would say our planning for planning purposes, we're continuing to execute on the strong pipeline.

Speaker 4

You would expect that contra sequentially would be up as a percentage of our assessment revenue in the 4th quarter, not too different than what you would see In any other year, we typically have higher contra levels in the Q4 when you look at them as a percentage of our assessment revenue. So Really that's what's there. And to your specific point around macro, it's like I said, our base case assumes a resilient consumer and that's very much what we're assuming going forward as well. There are always puts and takes depending on markets in question, but broadly speaking, we continue to see a strong consumer.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Tien Tsin Huang at JPMorgan.

Speaker 3

Hi, thanks. Good morning to everyone. Just on the Europe front, I noted that it did slow a little bit at the 4 points, I think sequentially year on year. Is that just the NatWest comp out? Is there anything else to call out?

Speaker 3

I'm curious if you saw any change in or interesting performance country by country in Europe? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Sure, Tien Tsin. So couple of thoughts. First, it's primarily the lapping effect of NatWest. So let's start there. There are always going to be puts and I would say that Michael talked a little bit about in select international markets, we're seeing some level of moderation.

Speaker 4

I would say in Europe, You're seeing that in the UK. But largely, if you see the decel which you're talking about, that's largely driven by the lapping of our NatWest win last year.

Speaker 3

Thanks for clarifying. Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Harshita Rawat at Bernstein.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. I want to ask about regulation. There's been some unrelated activity recently with the Fed proposing new debit interchange caps, the leg AI implementation for trademark present and the credit card competition bill. So Michael, taking a step back, how are you thinking about the regulatory environment in the U. S.

Speaker 6

And abroad? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Harshita.

Speaker 3

Thank Thank

Speaker 2

you for directing that straight to me after a few questions on trends. But there is certainly a lot going on. So that's for sure true. You can see it's a lot of activity and they have been overlapping Regard Guys, CCCA, the Fed on debit. So all this is related in a way, but it's also not related in a way.

Speaker 2

And I think this is important for us to take them 1 by 1. And without any particular order, Let me start with CCCA, which has been a topic on this call for a little while. This topic is garnering a lot of momentum across the our industry and industry participants. We are Seeing a more united voice across banks and across merchants to address this point. Senators Durbin and Marshall have been very active over the last since the last quarter since we last walked to attach this particular legislation proposal to other proposals and get a vote.

Speaker 2

They were not successful. And I think we actively use the time and productively use the time to bring across that this is not good for consumers. It is not good for small business. It is not good for merchants, particularly those who are driving large reward programs. So for all those reasons, we think this is going to is a misguided proposal, a misguided legislation and we'll see where it goes going forward.

Speaker 2

But I've not been more optimistic on the industry pulling together to making those arguments understood than at this point. So this is CCCA. We're closely engaged on that. Now on Reg II. So we're in compliance with that.

Speaker 2

Have we seen Any particular outcome? I think it was a question on last call. Do you see this as an opportunity or as a risk? At this point, neither. What I can tell you is we will compete.

Speaker 2

We We have invested billions over the years in the security of our network proposition and we think security is at the center of this whole debate. Can the merchant take away decisions from a consumer here and route this to the least cost and possibly the least secure network? Well, that is what we want to point out that, that shouldn't be the case. We're leaning in on that. We haven't seen it yet at this point.

Speaker 2

So for us to Just monitor and see what happens. We'll surely talk about it again next quarter. The Fed debit pricing piece that was put out yesterday is going into a consulting period. Here again, the same kind of momentum across the industry, across the American Bankers Association, the Electronic Payments Council put out a letter to the Fed on Friday night along with 7 other trades, if I recall correctly, arguing that this is that price caps are generally driving market distortions. This is not a good thing.

Speaker 2

It's Not a good thing for the consumer, yet again, not a good thing for merchants, for merchants who run reward programs and so forth. So we'll have to see where it goes. It is important though to point out that interchange is a balancing mechanism for the industry. It does not directly affect our P and L. So those are important things to keep in mind.

Speaker 2

For all of those, we see ourselves as an industry custodian to make sure that the arguments around safety and security and consumer choice are fully understood by all stakeholders.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll go next to Craig Moore at Feet

Speaker 7

Partners. Hi, thanks for taking the question. Actually, 2. 1, considering what we're seeing in the U. S.

Speaker 7

With deterioration in certain, Should I say credit quality buckets and so on and so forth. I'm curious if you could discuss How your spend in the U. S. Is broken down between sort of the top 1% and the rest versus historical levels? Just Mike, can it help us understand how insulated spend is to the specific credit issues we might be seeing over the next 6 months?

Speaker 7

And secondly, we've seen some pretty strong rhetoric out of Asia regarding moving away from the global networks due to actions taken around Russia and other places. I was wondering if you could comment on how discussions with those markets might have changed in recent times. Thanks.

Speaker 8

Hey, Craig, it's Sachin.

Speaker 4

I'll take your first question on the spending trends in the U. S. Call. And particularly in light of what you're talking about on the deterioration of credit quality. The headline for you is the following.

Speaker 4

Our portfolio in the U. S. Is actually a pretty well diversified portfolio across all spectrums of the consumer base. If you look at our company 10 years ago, I would argue it was a company which was more kind of weighted towards our credit portfolio. We have got a better mix right now of Credit and debit across the spectrum of consumers.

Speaker 4

And diversification has always been off trend, whether it's around products, whether it's around Geographical markets, that's kind of the way we've kind of tried to drive the strategy

Speaker 2

of the business. I would tell you,

Speaker 4

I mean, if you look at the composition of the issuers in the U. S, right. So we have a decent amount of co brand portfolios, which cater to The affluent and hopefully from a credit quality standpoint, they stand to actually hold up pretty well even in down markets. The other piece I'd tell you is that we like the fact that we have been recently investing in winning debit portfolios. We've talked about how we won Citizens.

Speaker 4

We talked about Michael just talked about how we won Webster. These are important portfolios because as you know in up and down cycles, right, What happens with the diversified portfolio is in down cycles, debit tends to be in favor because of the spend going towards these nondiscretionary categories of spend. The headline I tell you is pretty well diversified across product and across the spectrum of consumers in the U. S.

Speaker 2

And as we were saying earlier, we're monitoring Credit availability. Credit availability is not an issue as far as we can see in that point. It's beyond historic level as below historic levels. So That's something that is part of our continuing efforts to understand where the dynamics are going. Now on Asia, you anchored the question on their strong rhetoric from Asia.

Speaker 2

I would Probably word this differently and say we're not seeing that. We're seeing this is a argument in a broader conversation around where value is coming from the value of globalization and global connectivity. On the other hand, things like sanctions play into this. It's a very complex mix. And across the world, not just in Asia, there is a conversation around weighing all of that off.

Speaker 2

So it's important for you to understand that we have been partnering with countries around the world for years. Just take Europe to start with. Early on, we talked about Maestro and Debit Mastercard. We're partnering with a whole range of local payment systems for years. And there are no particular concerns around that.

Speaker 2

The same is in many other parts of the world. Where this is going and going forward, we'll have yet to see, but it is understood that as part of a globally connected economy and a world where some derisking plays into that trusted cross border data flows matter, people still want to travel And all of that makes us an important player. Also keep in mind that our capabilities across network level, Trusted solutions, cybersecurity solutions gets us a seat at the table. We're seen as a technology company and a global technology company, not necessarily as a U. S.

Speaker 2

Payment brand when we have those conversations because we help across we enable local payment solutions through those services. So I'm Not overly worried about this, but it's an active dialogue, where we are seeing some really good things coming out of that. Think about some of the advancements in financial inclusion when local government set up systems that reach consumers that haven't been reached before. That lifts everybody's boat And that is good for the overall payments industry. So it is a broad topic.

Speaker 2

We've been engaging through the U. S. Government, through other governments, multilateral organizations, and I personally spent quite a bit of time on that topic to ensure that we don't lose the benefit of a globally connected economy.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

We'll move next to Will Nance at Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 2

Hey, guys. I appreciate you

Speaker 9

taking the question. I wanted to ask about some of the trends in value added services. It sounds like the commentary this quarter was similar to last quarter, kind of a Tale of 2 S's relatively strong growth in services and maybe a little bit of drag from solutions. I was just wondering if you could talk on the drag in solutions, call. A little bit of color on what's driving that and maybe for the outlook, how long should you actually kind of expect that drive to continue and then what sort of the outlook for for 2

Speaker 2

buckets. Sure, Will.

Speaker 4

So a couple of thoughts first. Like we mentioned in my prepared remarks, Dalia, at Service and Solutions net revenue 14% this quarter. I will kind of emphasize that our cyber and intelligence solutions continue to grow at a healthy pace. This obviously is driven by underlying drivers as well as demand for our various solutions we offer. And we're seeing similar trends in terms of strong demand for our consulting marketing and marketing services and loyalty solutions.

Speaker 4

To your point about the tempering effect of other solutions, that certainly is having a tempering effect. And when we have what we have in other solutions is the relative growth rates from real time payments from what's going on from a bill payment standpoint. It's things of that nature, which are actually growing at a slower pace, which is candidly, I mean, something which We should expect the reality is we always talked about services in the past. We haven't talked about value added services and solutions. Now we're talking about value added services and solutions, which is where you're seeing that Tempering effect come through.

Speaker 4

I think if it's helpful, one of the things which I want to actually also share with you is that This overall growth rate can be impacted quarter to quarter by transaction growth, by comps and by timing. And just as a reference point, when including sorry, when excluding other solutions where which have the tempering effect, our value added services Have grown at 19% year over year on a year to date basis excluding Russia. So I think what I'm kind of trying to share with you is there is this tempering effect on other solutions. You should expect that tempering effect to continue. All of that being said, there is The overall strength we see in our C and I and D and S side, which we're actually very positive about.

Speaker 4

We're seeing good demand in that space.

Speaker 2

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 10

Sure.

Operator

We'll take our next question from David Togut at Evercore ISI.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much. Given some of the tempering growth that you've highlighted, especially in VaaS, how are you thinking about flexing expenses over the next 6 to 12 months, where do you have a fair amount of discretion and what are some of the areas particularly like R and D which would be sacrosanct? Right. So what Sachin said, he wasn't really talking about tempering in VaaS. He was talking about tempering in the other solutions.

Speaker 2

So I just want to kind of That's right. I'll be I think there is potentially a little bit of confusion here with our revenue disaggregation and the definitions here. We've talked about services in a particular way for years, and And now we have slightly different definition as you know which we shared with you. So just want to put that out there first. To your question, so We continue to expect strong growth in value added services and solution DNS and CSI as we said.

Speaker 2

As far as expenses go, I said it at the beginning, looking at macro, looking at everything that's going on around us and we have demonstrated this through COVID, we have demonstrated through Russia And we will continue to demonstrate as we have a whole range of levers in a not particularly capital heavy business to adjust our expenses. You've seen us managing for positive bottom line and top line growth over on a year over year basis. We're not managing this quarter by quarter, but that is always something that we keep in mind. So our financial discipline will continue here. We have no reason to change that.

Speaker 2

It's working well and that is the disciplined way to do this. Thank you.

Speaker 3

And David, I'll just add, right.

Speaker 4

Just as Michael said, I think Our philosophy from an operations standpoint is to continue to deliver positive operating leverage over the long term. We will do that in a disciplined manner to continue to drive Short, medium and long term growth and we will invest prudently. And we'll obviously keep an eye on what's going on for that on the top line and kind of moderate on expenses as appropriate as we've done historically. So I I just want to reiterate exactly what Michael said there.

Speaker 11

Thanks David.

Speaker 3

We'll move

Operator

next to Bryan Keane at Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning. Sushant, just wanted to ask About more chunkier portfolios and the timing of it, obviously NatWest anniversaried that might have surprised some people on the comps, but it's just It's an anniversary of that. So just thinking about Citizens or Webster or others, the timing on when they come on and any others out there?

Speaker 4

Sure, Brian. So on Citizens, the portfolio transition is on track for 2024. You should expect that, that will take place over a period of time as opposed to a flip the switch kind of environment. Webster, we just announced, which we're super excited about, right? And the portfolio transition will also begin in 2024 and will take place over a period of time.

Speaker 4

Santander is done. NatWest, I already spoke about. The other one actually, which I kind of point out is Deutsche Bank, right? And There we had talked about conversion of 10,000,000 cards. That conversion has started.

Speaker 4

It's It's a combination of debit and credit will happen over an extended period of time. Again, it's not a flip to switch kind of scenario. And the last one I'd mention is around UniCredit, which is something which will happen over multiple years. So this is not I mean, I say multiple years, I literally mean You'll start in 2024 and this will work its way through over a few years. So that's what I can share with you in terms of at least the chunky ones.

Speaker 4

Obviously, there are a bunch of other portfolios which we All the time, but these are the bigger ones.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Sure.

Operator

Our next question comes from Tim Chiodu at UBS.

Speaker 12

Great. Thank you for taking the question. I just wanted to take this as an opportunity to revisit some of the mechanics around rebates and incentives. If you could just provide a recap on the portions of rebates and incentives that are volume and performance based, some of the portions that are maybe more fixed and then the portions that are more cumulative over the course of a contract, I think that would be appreciated by all. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Sure. So first, the reason we do rebates and incentives is to drive volume. I just want to be clear, that's kind of what drives what we're trying to do, which is to win preference, Which allows us to generate revenue from the payment stream as well as to deliver services to drive our net revenue yield. So that's kind of the headline. Your specific question around Rebates and incentives, right.

Speaker 4

It's a combination typically of fixed and variable. It depends on a deal by deal basis. If it's a fixed incentive, The fixed incentive is typically amortized over the life of the deal. Variable incentives are variable in nature. They vary with the volume which are coming through And they are timed with how the volume rolls on.

Speaker 4

So that's kind of at the highest level. The other piece I can share with you is rebates and incentives are typically more indexed towards domestic volumes less indexed towards cross border. So those are the salient pieces I mentioned to you on rebates and incentives.

Speaker 12

Great. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Sure. We'll go next to Dan Dolev at Mizuho.

Speaker 10

Hey, thanks. Michael, I just want to give you A compliment first because this is close to my heart and I appreciate you mentioning the terror attack on Israel. I think your competitor made it more like of a Politically correct comment on their call, so I really appreciate it. And then to my question, A key European merchant acquirer called out like a big negative trend in Germany and as you know the whole market trended down. Can you make some specific comments?

Speaker 10

How much of that was stuff that you're seeing? Because it seems like trends are actually pretty solid and pretty resilient. So there's quite a bit of confusion in the market. We would appreciate some comments on the European macro trend. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dan. Again, appreciate I keep a Close eye on the German market very specifically and we're not seeing that, where consumer spending remains Pretty steady in Germany and generally in Europe. Sachin talked a little bit about 1, the UK might have a couple of A little bit of moderation here and there, but overall we're not seeing that. So what we see on the other hand, as you know, is strong growth for us in Europe, on all the migrations, on our debit Maestro migrations and so forth. So Europe's been a bright star continues to be for us.

Speaker 2

So we don't quite relate to what others are reporting.

Speaker 10

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Operator

We'll go next to Darrin Peller at Wolfe Research.

Speaker 11

Thanks guys. I just want to follow-up a little bit more on the incentives and rebates. But first just Michael, the number of portfolios that you guys are winning on the different parts of the world really. But just talk a little bit about the competitive landscape with whether it's UniCredit or now Citizens or others that you keep talking about, if anything has changed. And that kind of dovetails into incentives and rebates because the growth I mean, you're about 500 basis points, 600 basis points faster than gross revenues you're seeing on it.

Speaker 11

Maybe that part is more for Sachin. And just it offsets some of the exciting opportunities we're seeing on gross revenue growth kind of in a few quarters in a row now. And so I just want to get a better sense of what you're seeing in terms of anything structural on rebates incentives that's maybe a bit different and tied to winning business? Or is it just more business as usual and just maybe some comments on that? Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Let me start off here. So I want to reiterate what Sachin said before. We are trying to win portfolios that are important from market relevance perspective for us to gain access to transactions to drive our services model and follow through on that virtuous Sure circle that I talked about earlier in my remarks. So that's the whole idea.

Speaker 2

We keep net revenue yield in mind as we do all of this. That is the integrated payments and versus model that we pursue. Now when you look at the competitive landscape, payments is competitive. There's a lot of players out On the landscape, we like competition and we feel we have a truly unique proposition between our payments and digital solutions on one hand and our services on the other hand. So when you think about UniCredit, so why did they come to us?

Speaker 2

Well, they were looking at our proven track record In our engagement with UniCredit before the expanded relationships and supporting their customers, they like our sustainability agenda. On Citizens, it was a similar kind of mix. And on Webstar, yet again, it was a similar kind of mix. There's always something across the portfolio of services that sticks out. Citizens, I recall a conversation on Open Banking, for example, that was clearly one that mattered and the sustainability agenda yet again.

Speaker 2

So It's a mix. There is nothing particularly new here. We always weigh off the volume growth that we can see with the incentives that we give to make this whole equation work for us in a very disciplined manner. And there's a range of deals and portfolios that we really do not want to win. So we're very disciplined about that.

Speaker 2

And I don't see anything out of the ordinary here, but I want to hand over to Sachin to give us a little more color on that. Sure. So Darren,

Speaker 4

I think Michael covered kind of the competitive landscape. I think to your specific question around the divergence not divergence, but the The fact that gross revenue is growing at a faster clip and the rebates and incentives are actually impacting the growth on the net revenue side. The reality is in the growth business, right, You're investing in portfolios upfront, right? Going back to the earlier question which was asked, right? When you're doing a combination of fixed and variable incentives, Fix and center start to amortize the moment a deal goes live.

Speaker 4

That doesn't mean the volumes come on at full speed When the deal goes live, right? Because like we talk, we talk about conversions happening over multiple years. We talk about if a conversion happens right away, you get the volume right away and We start to see the associated impact from a revenue standpoint. So there is this lag which existed on the fixed incentives line between when we're recognizing The impact of those incentives and when we would expect that full ramp, the volumes to come on as we win deals. But that's more of a A technicality as in how the math around that works.

Speaker 4

I think the bottom line still remains, which is call. We would rather be in the payment flow on a disciplined basis to be able to drive higher net revenue yield for our company than not be in the flow. So So you're not in the flow, you're not getting the benefit of PCE, you're not getting the benefit of the shift of the secular trends, which are moving from cash to electronic forms of payment, And you're certainly not getting the ability to deliver certain levels of services which we got

Speaker 3

out there.

Speaker 4

So that's kind of the broad philosophy from a competitive standpoint that we've chosen to take here.

Speaker 11

All right. Thanks guys. Sure.

Operator

Next, we'll move to Ashwin Shirvaikar at Citi.

Speaker 13

Thanks. So I want to talk about PayByBank. It's live With JPMorgan, I mean, Verizon is piloting. Can you speak to the momentum you're seeing in the product? And given that it uses traditional ACH banking rails, could you maybe more broadly speak to the Economic model for this and similar products that maybe tend to not use Mastercard if?

Speaker 2

Right. So this is a combination of Bill Pay, of Open Banking. This is for us sitting in the new flow space. Very specifically, what we are addressing is trying to bring value to ACH flows. These are Somebody paying a doctor or things like that.

Speaker 2

And how do we add value to this is by plugging onto a flow that would take in place and might not happen because of insufficient funds on an account. We're putting in our open banking connection to make it clear is there a balance on the account. It's called the payment success indicator. That is the product and it is a per click fee related to the API call. So that is the model.

Speaker 2

That is bringing value to a part of the payments industry where there wasn't a particular problem to be Solved and not anybody willing to pay for it. I think we're finding starting to find these corners where there is real value that we can bring. So for us, this is TAM expansion, this is new flows. As I said, where we bring our unique combination of services together, we are in real time payments And we are in digital identity and we're in open banking. All of this is needed here to make the solution work.

Speaker 2

And this is why a player like JPMorgan comes to us to do this for us. And Verizon, to the point about momentum, we'll now be piloting it. So it would be a little early to talk about momentum, but we'll come back on that as that solution is then rolled out into the market. But it is now live and that was an important point for us because it had to be built and put together and we have done that.

Operator

We'll go next to Jeff Cantwell at Seaport Research.

Speaker 11

Hey, thanks. I wanted to ask about your business update in October specifically. We can see in the U. S. Switched volume growth of 5%.

Speaker 11

So that's 200 bps started versus the 7% you did this quarter. But can you talk a little more about how you see the holiday season developing this year because we've seen some estimates that consumer spend could increase by 5% versus last year, which sounds pretty good all things considered. You highlighted resilience and consumer spend this quarter. So just wanted to take your temperature on how the entire quarter might fall, specifically in the U. S?

Speaker 4

Thanks. Hey, Jeff. So on the U. S. Specifically, what you're seeing in the day 21 numbers is, like I said in my prepared remarks, right, it's Primarily related to the timing of Social Security payments between this year and last year.

Speaker 4

So that's really what you're seeing in the nature of that 7% growth in Q3, which now shows at 5% in the 1st 3 weeks of October. So There's really from an underlying standpoint other than that there's not much we're seeing in the nature of a trend shift in the U. S. In the 1st 3 weeks of October. On your question around how we see Q4 shaping up, it's actually very much in line with what I shared, which is our base case scenario continues to be one of Where the consumer remains resilient.

Speaker 4

I mean, the reality is unemployment levels are at all time record lows. When people have jobs, they hopefully are getting their paychecks, which they're hopefully using towards meeting the spending needs. You also saw GDP came out this morning and it came out pretty strong. So I kind of generally think about this as saying our base case scenario around consumer strength and resilience is what we're assuming going into Q4.

Operator

We'll go next to Ramsey El Assal at Barclays.

Speaker 12

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to follow-up on Dan Doleth's question earlier And basically just ask about the sort of dislocation between your valuation in the marketplace and the valuation of your distribution channels, the acquirers and banks that sort of flow transactions to you. Can you give us your updated thoughts on the overall health and TAM penetration of this core kind of value chain. When you look at the heritage distribution channels on both sides, are you seeing upheaval or are you seeing stability? In other words, is the market kind of getting the industry wrong at this point or are you seeing changes out there that are worth calling out?

Speaker 2

Right. Hey Ramzi, so let me start off on that. So if you look at how our distribution has evolved over the years, the whole theme of diversification across products and segments also So we're doing a whole number of things. I talked about our work on acceptance. That is part of our distribution, show where contactless, tap on phone, things like that, a whole range of new merchant groups, Scaling these kind of technologies with partners like Stripe, those are all going into areas that we haven't been in.

Speaker 2

Then you have other parts of our go to market. We talked about in B2B, we talked about Oracle and SAP. You go over into the world of acquirers. There's a whole range of acquirers, more traditional acquirers, which are our partners. So across the board, it's highly diversified.

Speaker 2

It's regionally highly diversified. So these blips here and there, I can't really talk about other people's business. But earlier on the question around what we see in Europe, we're just not seeing it in our numbers Because we have a highly diversified model, so whatever specific sector focus somebody has that is a partner of ours doesn't necessarily flow through for us. So I don't know if the market got it wrong or not. We're not the Oracle, but we make sure we partner with everybody to drive the overall digital ecosystem.

Speaker 12

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we'll go to Bob Napoli at William Blair.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to follow-up on commentary around the Open Banking, Banking as a Service and Mastercard also, I mean, you've done a great job of partnering with a lot of Fintechs. We were at Just at Money 2020 and I would say this year there were a lot more regulators than I number in the past and talking about Open Banking and how active they are in reviewing all the partners in those relationships. So just any thoughts on your outlook for your Open Banking investments and then how you think about the regulation, the growing regulation Around open banking or banking as a service.

Speaker 2

Right. So we continue to believe in The whole notion of open banking and open data at large, where people and businesses use their own towards better services and propositions for them. So the idea stands. And I think the idea gets hold and hold. If you look at Europe with call.

Speaker 2

More regulation coming in, looking at PSD III and so forth, you're looking at the CFPB here in the United States putting out Some thoughts on how regulation could look like. For us, I put this in context of the ideas understood, how do you make it safer, What does that need? It needs trusted parties in the middle. If you can imagine a world full of a bunch of bilateral relationships where People exchange data in a not so safe way. That would be a bad world.

Speaker 2

That's what regulators want to prohibit. We're coming in and saying we could be one of those parties that really bring the idea to life for consumers. I can use my data for better financial services. So when I look at what CFPB has put out, we largely support the idea. It aligns very well with our data responsibility principles that we put out.

Speaker 2

It's your data, the consumer. You benefit from it. You control it. It is our role as a company to keep it safe, and we're very good at that. So our interlocking circle stands for trust.

Speaker 2

For open banking to work, you need trust. And I think that is where we're going. So we're engaging. In fact, We're oftentimes in the room when these things are being thought about. In Europe, we were very much part of the dialogue on how data privacy in this context could look like.

Speaker 1

Last question, Arjun. Thank you.

Operator

And we'll take that last question from Jason Kupferberg at Bank of America.

Speaker 3

Hey, thanks guys. Just wanted to flash back to the Analyst Day 2 years ago. I know you had shared a 3 year guide at the time for revenue CAGR of high teens through 2024 and looks like you'll basically be right there through the 1st 2 years of that forecast period. So just wanted to take your temperature on that 3 year guide. It looks like we're exiting 2023 more in the low double digit range and really just trying to get a sense of how you're thinking about normalized top line growth going forward with the COVID noise essentially in the rearview mirror.

Speaker 2

Yes, Jason. So,

Speaker 4

look, we're not updating anything on the 3 year outlook at this point in time. It's like you said, the 1st year actually turned out to be a very nice year. Again, in the 2nd year, we've delivered quite strongly year to date and then we've shared with you what we think will happen from an expectation standpoint in Q4. The one thing I just want to kind of orient everybody to is when we had the Investor Day, it was in November of 2021, and the world has actually changed quite meaningfully since then, call. Which is what I'm alluding to here is the invasion of Ukraine by Russia and our suspension of activities in Russia.

Speaker 4

So So that's something to keep in mind. We certainly keep in mind as part of the fact that what we are assuming at that point in time included Russia right now. Obviously, we don't I have revenues related to Russia, which are coming through. But beyond that, I have nothing really to share in terms of updated thoughts around our 3 year outlook.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you everyone for joining today.

Speaker 2

All right. So thank you for the questions today. Thanks for the trust in Mastercard. I always thank our people and this is yet again the moment to do this. Times are not that easy for everybody and they're leaning in and are leaning in for our customers.

Speaker 2

So thank you to everybody at Mastercard who's on the call and thank you to all of you who listen in and ask questions.

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